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On Mar 16, 1:08*pm, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 12:53 PM, Loogypicker wrote:



On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, *wrote:
On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Mar 16, 10:23 am, * *wrote:
On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400,
wrote:

I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar
to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and
peaceful.

Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually
results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. *I'd
rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with
something like that.

Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San
Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won
the America's cup.

I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was*
not very fast.

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WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!
Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass?

Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370
in
airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did
plenty
of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more
fun than slogging my way there. To each his own

You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.?

Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay,
was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to
Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to
C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting
there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own."

With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to
attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment,
but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the
Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see
some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes,
high speed trains, lower speed car... *:)

You know, to each his own.

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You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do
you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here
after all of the lies you've told?

Loogy, I simply do not care what you or any of the right-wing FLEEGs
here *think* they are thinking. You're here only for my entertainment,
when I choose really low-brow entertainment.

As far as complete idiots go, the real choice is whether you or
Heart-Condition Scotty is the dumbest. I honestly cannot
tell...sometimes I am sure Scotty is the dumbest, and then you show up
after a few days absence.

That's the entertainment...guessing who is the dumbest poster here.
At the moment, it's a draw between you and Scotty.

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As far as complete idiots go, the real choice is whether you or
Heart-Condition Scotty is the dumbest.

We can only hope he'll keep on that exercise bike till he blows a
gasket, and dies.
What Hospital will he go to, now that he's ****ed ONE Hospital out of
$25,000 ????

Who cares.......

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"HK" wrote in message
m...

You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.?

Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay,
was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa
Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so
I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as
I have posted many times, "to each his own."

With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to
attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment,
but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the
Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some
more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high
speed trains, lower speed car... :)

You know, to each his own.



To me, that's something that hundreds of people do every week, basically the
same way.

Woopie.

Now, piloting a 49 foot boat to various ports with no specific time table
to adhere to is something I could warm up to very quickly, assuming I had
the skills and knowledge to do it.

Besides. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming onto a commercial
airliner
now-a-days, first class, business or coach. The destination is spoiled by
the travel
getting there.

I fondly remember the sense of achievement and satisfaction I had after a
relatively
simple, (compared to what Wayne does) 1500 mile voyage on our boat. When I
docked in Jupiter FL and shut the engines down, I had a sense of having
accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or
snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat
mechanically, decision making and learning something.

Plus, the boat was comfortable.

That trip is still one of the best things I ever did in my life and I still
think about it often.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, HK
wrote:

I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar
to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and
peaceful.

Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually
results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd
rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with
something like that.

Stink-potter.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.?

Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay,
was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa
Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so
I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as
I have posted many times, "to each his own."

With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to
attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment,
but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the
Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some
more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high
speed trains, lower speed car... :)

You know, to each his own.



To me, that's something that hundreds of people do every week, basically the
same way.

Woopie.

Now, piloting a 49 foot boat to various ports with no specific time table
to adhere to is something I could warm up to very quickly, assuming I had
the skills and knowledge to do it.

Besides. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming onto a commercial
airliner
now-a-days, first class, business or coach. The destination is spoiled by
the travel
getting there.

I fondly remember the sense of achievement and satisfaction I had after a
relatively
simple, (compared to what Wayne does) 1500 mile voyage on our boat. When I
docked in Jupiter FL and shut the engines down, I had a sense of having
accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or
snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat
mechanically, decision making and learning something.

Plus, the boat was comfortable.

That trip is still one of the best things I ever did in my life and I still
think about it often.

Eisboch



Why is that some folks, you for instance, can present a position without
offending anyone. Well...almost everyone. Other's, "my way or the highway".

Have fun with your guitars.

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I had a sense of having
accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or
snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat
mechanically, decision making and learning something.

That's all true, plus one of the more memorable quotes from "the
Perfect Storm" (the book): "No one ever gets tired of watching the
water".

Sounds like you're about ready for another ICW cruise.

International cruising has yet another planning dimension that I'd
never fully appreciated until this trip. The Bahamas are easy by
comparison: You check in at the first port of entry, pay your $300,
get your cruising permit, and then you can come and go as you please
for up to 6 months, anywhere in the Bahamas.

Down in the Caribbean almost every island, or group of islands, is a
different country. You not only have to check in with customs,
immigration and the Port Authority, known as "clearing in", but you
also have to "clear out" out before you leave. If you don't clear
out, then you can't check in to the next country because they will ask
for your "out clearance" documents. It's a bit of a pain to those of
us who are used to coming and going as we please but the rules are
fairly easy to follow once you understand them. It does take some
planning however.

Another challenge is weather forecasting and planning. There are no
weather channels on the VHF radio once you leave Puerto Rico and the
US Virgin Islands. Local radio and television stations are few and
far between, and usually in a language other than English. That
leaves the internet, which has some really good weather resources when
a connection is available, and various broadcast services on high
frequency single side band radio (HF SSB). The HF SSB services
require some specialized equipment and a certain amount of skill to
receive and interpret the broadcasts. With the right equipment and/or
computer software you can actually receive various weather charts and
maps by fax 4 times a day. There are also various cruiser nets on
both VHF and SSB where weather information is exchanged, and some
people subscribe to private weather services such as the well known
Chris Parker. Chris communicates with his clients by SSB radio, sat
phone, or cell phone where it is available.

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I
did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were
astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the
sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing,
what's the point then"?
I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving
which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve
problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do".

Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just
thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors
actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am
just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it
was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you
figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy.

Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish
and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be
serious.

So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good
fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee
is relaxing.

Boating to relax, I don't get it.

Well, I'm a power boater, and I get out on the lake to relax. Sure, at WOT
doing 55, I'm not super relaxed since I'm watching for skiers, tubers,
boats, low water, shorelines, etc, etc. But when I cruise at no wake, or
drop the hook, put on the tunes... I'm relaxed, and that's 75% of my time on
the water. I find fishing relaxing as well. If I catch something, that's
great. If I don't, that's great as well. g I wouldn't have a boat if it
weren't relaxing. There's enough stress every day as it is.

--Mike

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote:
On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400,
wrote:

I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very
similar
to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing
and
peaceful.

Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually
results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd
rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with
something like that.

Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San
Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won
the America's cup.

I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was*
not very fast.

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WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!
Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass?

Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370
in
airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did
plenty
of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more
fun than slogging my way there. To each his own

You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.?

Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay,
was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to
Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to
C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting
there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own."

With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to
attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment,
but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the
Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see
some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes,
high speed trains, lower speed car... :)

You know, to each his own.

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You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do
you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here
after all of the lies you've told?

Hehe... Geneva... he's funny....

No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they
just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd
think that he was. What a putz that boy is.

--Mike

--Mike

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mgg wrote:


"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote:
On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400,
wrote:

I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very
similar
to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very
relaxing and
peaceful.

Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually
results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd
rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around
with
something like that.

Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San
Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just
won
the America's cup.

I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was*
not very fast.

--

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then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.

WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!
Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass?

Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370
in
airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did
plenty
of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more
fun than slogging my way there. To each his own

You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.?

Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay,
was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to
Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to
C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting
there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own."

With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to
attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment,
but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the
Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see
some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes,
high speed trains, lower speed car... :)

You know, to each his own.

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You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do
you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here
after all of the lies you've told?

Hehe... Geneva... he's funny....

No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies...
they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva,
I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is.

--Mike

--Mike


He doesn't care what nayone here thinks. Yeah, right.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Have fun with your guitars.

The fun part of the guitars is the people you meet and the education I am
getting from the
luthier I work with.

The people fall into three basic categories. The first are "players"
meaning people that actively gig publicly and are, in their minds, one song
away from becoming famous. Some make it. Most don't. But it's enjoyable
to witness the passion they have in trying.

The second is the one that amazes me the most. There are more decent, very
talented closet guitarists around than I ever imagined. They come from all
walks of life ... from plumbers to doctors. They don't play publicly but
have highly developed playing skills from years of casual practice as a
hobby. Some are better than the ones gigging every other night at clubs.

The third is the occasional pro that walks in the door and proceeds to blow
you away. Haven't had many, but the few that have come in the shop quickly
demonstrate the difference between a professional musician and us amateurs.
There's one old guy that comes in fairly regularly. He likes playing
traditional, wide necked classical guitars, so I found and purchased a
fairly decent one that I keep at the shop for his visits. When he shows
up, the amps are all turned off and he entertains whoever happens to be in
the shop at the time with some of the most beautiful classical guitar
playing I've heard. It's one thing to watch a video or listen to a
recording. It's quite another to watch someone live playing flawlessly and
with expression. This guy also plays jazz guitars using traditional chord
melodies and occasionally a Fender Telecaster.
One day I finally asked him, "Ok .. *who* are you?" Turns out he used to
play in the Louie Armstrong band.

Then there is the luthier I mentioned. Before meeting him a guitar was just
a device with strings that you plucked to me. From him I've learned the
history and some of the aspects of what makes a guitar work, from physics to
the tone woods that are used. A guitar is one of the most unique musical
instruments in existence when you get into the mathematics of the fretboard
and formation possibilities of chords.
For example, there's only a few ways to play a "C" chord on a piano, yet
there are at least half a dozen ways to play it on a guitar. I don't know
why, but it's interesting to me.

It's a fun hobby and keeps me off the streets and out of bars.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I had a sense of having
accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or
snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the
boat
mechanically, decision making and learning something.

That's all true, plus one of the more memorable quotes from "the
Perfect Storm" (the book): "No one ever gets tired of watching the
water".

Sounds like you're about ready for another ICW cruise.


Missing one important item at the moment ..... namely a boat.



International cruising has yet another planning dimension that I'd
never fully appreciated until this trip. The Bahamas are easy by
comparison: You check in at the first port of entry, pay your $300,
get your cruising permit, and then you can come and go as you please
for up to 6 months, anywhere in the Bahamas.

Down in the Caribbean almost every island, or group of islands, is a
different country. You not only have to check in with customs,
immigration and the Port Authority, known as "clearing in", but you
also have to "clear out" out before you leave. If you don't clear
out, then you can't check in to the next country because they will ask
for your "out clearance" documents. It's a bit of a pain to those of
us who are used to coming and going as we please but the rules are
fairly easy to follow once you understand them. It does take some
planning however.

Another challenge is weather forecasting and planning. There are no
weather channels on the VHF radio once you leave Puerto Rico and the
US Virgin Islands. Local radio and television stations are few and
far between, and usually in a language other than English. That
leaves the internet, which has some really good weather resources when
a connection is available, and various broadcast services on high
frequency single side band radio (HF SSB). The HF SSB services
require some specialized equipment and a certain amount of skill to
receive and interpret the broadcasts. With the right equipment and/or
computer software you can actually receive various weather charts and
maps by fax 4 times a day. There are also various cruiser nets on
both VHF and SSB where weather information is exchanged, and some
people subscribe to private weather services such as the well known
Chris Parker. Chris communicates with his clients by SSB radio, sat
phone, or cell phone where it is available.


That's great stuff. Way out of my league, but I can completely understand
the challenge.

Even in the domestic voyage only trips like the ones I made, piloting a
larger vessel
in and to new destinations is a bit of a challenge and rewarding,
especially when you
are in new locations that are new and you are not familiar with.

I liked the whole process, from getting up early in the morning, making
coffee while getting the
weather forecast, charting the day's course, programming the plotter,
determining
alternate ports, checking provisions, etc. Getting underway, and enjoying
the views on the
ICW if traveling "inside" or the beautiful expanse of the ocean if cruising
"outside", particularly
on those nice sunny days with nothing but big ocean swells. Coming upon the
occasional big
freighter or cruise ship and even being buzzed by aircraft ........

I gotta go buy a boat.


Eisboch