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I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I
did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. |
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On 3/15/10 8:53 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Of course, My boat wasn't falling apart around me as yours is. I go fishing to relax. I don't really give a damn whether I catch any. Of course, I'm not a candidate for a committal to the Florida State Hospitals...and you are. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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... I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. I found it quite zen-like when sailing my Hobie. It was stressful on some level, dealing with waves and wind (and not turtling), but it was also peaceful in that you really have to stay in touch with where you are, who you are, and what you're doing... not to mention a few special moments like a sunset or being in a pod of porpoise. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mar 15, 5:44*pm, I am Tosk
wrote: In article , says... I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. *They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. *My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". *I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. *"Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. *IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. *However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. *Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. *Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. So, those long summer nights when I take my boat up the river and anchor in some marsh with a guitar and a six pack, I am not relaxing? Huh, guess I will have to bring more beer;) Scotty -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! My poor boat is 300 miles away while SOMEBODY ELSE is replacing the prop strut. That's my job but it just isn't feasible for me to do it long distance. I'd be as happy as I could ever be to be measuring the angle of the strut and figuring all the stuff and watching the welder make it from SS stock and then remounting it. Tosk, isnt figuring out some chord progression a form of problem solving? |
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On Mar 15, 9:02*pm, HK wrote:
On 3/15/10 8:53 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. *They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. *My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". *I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. *"Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. *IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. *However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. *Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. *Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Of course, My boat wasn't falling apart around me as yours is. I go fishing to relax. I don't really give a damn whether I catch any. Of course, I'm not a candidate for a committal to the Florida State Hospitals...and you are. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And the Harry lies and tall tails start in 3.....2....1.... |
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On Mar 15, 10:11*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 15, 5:44*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. *They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. *My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". *I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. *"Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. *IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. *However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. *Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. *Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. So, those long summer nights when I take my boat up the river and anchor in some marsh with a guitar and a six pack, I am not relaxing? Huh, guess I will have to bring more beer;) Scotty -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! My poor boat is 300 miles away while SOMEBODY ELSE is replacing the prop strut. *That's my job but it just isn't feasible for me to do it long distance. *I'd be as happy as I could ever be to be measuring the angle of the strut and figuring all the stuff and watching the welder make it from SS stock and then remounting it. Tosk, isnt figuring out some chord progression a form of problem solving?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, it is, but..... When strumming your guitar with a cold one near by, you don't HAVE to be learning anything new. Strum what you know, let the rest just happen. Think Buffet.......ohhhmmmmmm...... |
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On Mar 15, 9:44*pm, I am Tosk
wrote: In article , says... I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. *They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. *My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". *I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. *"Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. *IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. *However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. *Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. *Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. So, those long summer nights when I take my boat up the river and anchor in some marsh with a guitar and a six pack, I am not relaxing? Huh, guess I will have to bring more beer;) Scotty -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! Ya, look at Dum-Dum here....paddles his punt up some muddy creek, gets ****ed, and trys to play his guitar....wow..... |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, HK
wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. |
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On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. If I'm working on a project and presented with a problem to solve, I usually find the solving of the problem very relaxing. Don't you find solving problems to be relaxing? It's when you can't find the solution that you're not relaxed, IMO. -- "Your honor can never be taken from you. Cherish it, in yourself and in others." (Unknown) John H |
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On Mar 16, 10:23*am, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. *I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own |
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On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On Mar 16, 12:39*pm, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, *wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. *I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... *:) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? |
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On Mar 16, 12:53*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Mar 16, 12:39*pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, *wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. *I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... *:) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Like they believe anything you say....internet spoofer. What a joke. |
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On 3/16/10 12:53 PM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Loogy, I simply do not care what you or any of the right-wing FLEEGs here *think* they are thinking. You're here only for my entertainment, when I choose really low-brow entertainment. As far as complete idiots go, the real choice is whether you or Heart-Condition Scotty is the dumbest. I honestly cannot tell...sometimes I am sure Scotty is the dumbest, and then you show up after a few days absence. That's the entertainment...guessing who is the dumbest poster here. At the moment, it's a draw between you and Scotty. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On 3/16/10 1:03 PM, *e#c wrote:
On Mar 16, 12:53 pm, wrote: On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Like they believe anything you say....internet spoofer. What a joke. He's got no balls, either. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On Mar 16, 1:08*pm, HK wrote:
On 3/16/10 12:53 PM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, *wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, * *wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. *I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... *:) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Loogy, I simply do not care what you or any of the right-wing FLEEGs here *think* they are thinking. You're here only for my entertainment, when I choose really low-brow entertainment. As far as complete idiots go, the real choice is whether you or Heart-Condition Scotty is the dumbest. I honestly cannot tell...sometimes I am sure Scotty is the dumbest, and then you show up after a few days absence. That's the entertainment...guessing who is the dumbest poster here. At the moment, it's a draw between you and Scotty. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. As far as complete idiots go, the real choice is whether you or Heart-Condition Scotty is the dumbest. We can only hope he'll keep on that exercise bike till he blows a gasket, and dies. What Hospital will he go to, now that he's ****ed ONE Hospital out of $25,000 ???? Who cares....... |
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"HK" wrote in message m... You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. To me, that's something that hundreds of people do every week, basically the same way. Woopie. Now, piloting a 49 foot boat to various ports with no specific time table to adhere to is something I could warm up to very quickly, assuming I had the skills and knowledge to do it. Besides. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming onto a commercial airliner now-a-days, first class, business or coach. The destination is spoiled by the travel getting there. I fondly remember the sense of achievement and satisfaction I had after a relatively simple, (compared to what Wayne does) 1500 mile voyage on our boat. When I docked in Jupiter FL and shut the engines down, I had a sense of having accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat mechanically, decision making and learning something. Plus, the boat was comfortable. That trip is still one of the best things I ever did in my life and I still think about it often. Eisboch |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, HK wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Stink-potter. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. To me, that's something that hundreds of people do every week, basically the same way. Woopie. Now, piloting a 49 foot boat to various ports with no specific time table to adhere to is something I could warm up to very quickly, assuming I had the skills and knowledge to do it. Besides. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming onto a commercial airliner now-a-days, first class, business or coach. The destination is spoiled by the travel getting there. I fondly remember the sense of achievement and satisfaction I had after a relatively simple, (compared to what Wayne does) 1500 mile voyage on our boat. When I docked in Jupiter FL and shut the engines down, I had a sense of having accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat mechanically, decision making and learning something. Plus, the boat was comfortable. That trip is still one of the best things I ever did in my life and I still think about it often. Eisboch Why is that some folks, you for instance, can present a position without offending anyone. Well...almost everyone. Other's, "my way or the highway". Have fun with your guitars. |
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I had a sense of having accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat mechanically, decision making and learning something. That's all true, plus one of the more memorable quotes from "the Perfect Storm" (the book): "No one ever gets tired of watching the water". Sounds like you're about ready for another ICW cruise. International cruising has yet another planning dimension that I'd never fully appreciated until this trip. The Bahamas are easy by comparison: You check in at the first port of entry, pay your $300, get your cruising permit, and then you can come and go as you please for up to 6 months, anywhere in the Bahamas. Down in the Caribbean almost every island, or group of islands, is a different country. You not only have to check in with customs, immigration and the Port Authority, known as "clearing in", but you also have to "clear out" out before you leave. If you don't clear out, then you can't check in to the next country because they will ask for your "out clearance" documents. It's a bit of a pain to those of us who are used to coming and going as we please but the rules are fairly easy to follow once you understand them. It does take some planning however. Another challenge is weather forecasting and planning. There are no weather channels on the VHF radio once you leave Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Local radio and television stations are few and far between, and usually in a language other than English. That leaves the internet, which has some really good weather resources when a connection is available, and various broadcast services on high frequency single side band radio (HF SSB). The HF SSB services require some specialized equipment and a certain amount of skill to receive and interpret the broadcasts. With the right equipment and/or computer software you can actually receive various weather charts and maps by fax 4 times a day. There are also various cruiser nets on both VHF and SSB where weather information is exchanged, and some people subscribe to private weather services such as the well known Chris Parker. Chris communicates with his clients by SSB radio, sat phone, or cell phone where it is available. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... I was talking to another sailor the other day and I mentioned that I did not find sailing to be relaxing at all and he and his wife were astonished. They told me they both immediately relaxed as soon as the sails were up. My turn to be astonished, "Huh, relax while sailing, what's the point then"? I explained how I thought of sailing as an exercise in problem solving which made them really puzzled like "Why would you want to solve problems". I told em "cuz that's what engineers do". Although I always heard people thought of sailing as relaxing, I just thouhgt it was a sorta inside joke never thinking some sailors actually DID relax while sailing. "Relaxation", I gotta admit, I am just not clear on the concept. IF everything goes well, I figger it was all a waste of time. However if just one thing goes wrong and you figure a way around it, then it is a success and you can be happy. Do you go fishing to relax, NO, you go fishing to outsmart the fish and if you don't you are frustrated. Golf as relaxation, NO, be serious. So, I cannot imagine any "sport" as being relaxing. Reading good fiction is relaxing. Listening to good music with a good cup of coffee is relaxing. Boating to relax, I don't get it. Well, I'm a power boater, and I get out on the lake to relax. Sure, at WOT doing 55, I'm not super relaxed since I'm watching for skiers, tubers, boats, low water, shorelines, etc, etc. But when I cruise at no wake, or drop the hook, put on the tunes... I'm relaxed, and that's 75% of my time on the water. I find fishing relaxing as well. If I catch something, that's great. If I don't, that's great as well. g I wouldn't have a boat if it weren't relaxing. There's enough stress every day as it is. --Mike |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Hehe... Geneva... he's funny.... No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is. --Mike --Mike |
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mgg wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Hehe... Geneva... he's funny.... No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is. --Mike --Mike He doesn't care what nayone here thinks. Yeah, right. |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Have fun with your guitars. The fun part of the guitars is the people you meet and the education I am getting from the luthier I work with. The people fall into three basic categories. The first are "players" meaning people that actively gig publicly and are, in their minds, one song away from becoming famous. Some make it. Most don't. But it's enjoyable to witness the passion they have in trying. The second is the one that amazes me the most. There are more decent, very talented closet guitarists around than I ever imagined. They come from all walks of life ... from plumbers to doctors. They don't play publicly but have highly developed playing skills from years of casual practice as a hobby. Some are better than the ones gigging every other night at clubs. The third is the occasional pro that walks in the door and proceeds to blow you away. Haven't had many, but the few that have come in the shop quickly demonstrate the difference between a professional musician and us amateurs. There's one old guy that comes in fairly regularly. He likes playing traditional, wide necked classical guitars, so I found and purchased a fairly decent one that I keep at the shop for his visits. When he shows up, the amps are all turned off and he entertains whoever happens to be in the shop at the time with some of the most beautiful classical guitar playing I've heard. It's one thing to watch a video or listen to a recording. It's quite another to watch someone live playing flawlessly and with expression. This guy also plays jazz guitars using traditional chord melodies and occasionally a Fender Telecaster. One day I finally asked him, "Ok .. *who* are you?" Turns out he used to play in the Louie Armstrong band. Then there is the luthier I mentioned. Before meeting him a guitar was just a device with strings that you plucked to me. From him I've learned the history and some of the aspects of what makes a guitar work, from physics to the tone woods that are used. A guitar is one of the most unique musical instruments in existence when you get into the mathematics of the fretboard and formation possibilities of chords. For example, there's only a few ways to play a "C" chord on a piano, yet there are at least half a dozen ways to play it on a guitar. I don't know why, but it's interesting to me. It's a fun hobby and keeps me off the streets and out of bars. Eisboch |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I had a sense of having accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat mechanically, decision making and learning something. That's all true, plus one of the more memorable quotes from "the Perfect Storm" (the book): "No one ever gets tired of watching the water". Sounds like you're about ready for another ICW cruise. Missing one important item at the moment ..... namely a boat. International cruising has yet another planning dimension that I'd never fully appreciated until this trip. The Bahamas are easy by comparison: You check in at the first port of entry, pay your $300, get your cruising permit, and then you can come and go as you please for up to 6 months, anywhere in the Bahamas. Down in the Caribbean almost every island, or group of islands, is a different country. You not only have to check in with customs, immigration and the Port Authority, known as "clearing in", but you also have to "clear out" out before you leave. If you don't clear out, then you can't check in to the next country because they will ask for your "out clearance" documents. It's a bit of a pain to those of us who are used to coming and going as we please but the rules are fairly easy to follow once you understand them. It does take some planning however. Another challenge is weather forecasting and planning. There are no weather channels on the VHF radio once you leave Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Local radio and television stations are few and far between, and usually in a language other than English. That leaves the internet, which has some really good weather resources when a connection is available, and various broadcast services on high frequency single side band radio (HF SSB). The HF SSB services require some specialized equipment and a certain amount of skill to receive and interpret the broadcasts. With the right equipment and/or computer software you can actually receive various weather charts and maps by fax 4 times a day. There are also various cruiser nets on both VHF and SSB where weather information is exchanged, and some people subscribe to private weather services such as the well known Chris Parker. Chris communicates with his clients by SSB radio, sat phone, or cell phone where it is available. That's great stuff. Way out of my league, but I can completely understand the challenge. Even in the domestic voyage only trips like the ones I made, piloting a larger vessel in and to new destinations is a bit of a challenge and rewarding, especially when you are in new locations that are new and you are not familiar with. I liked the whole process, from getting up early in the morning, making coffee while getting the weather forecast, charting the day's course, programming the plotter, determining alternate ports, checking provisions, etc. Getting underway, and enjoying the views on the ICW if traveling "inside" or the beautiful expanse of the ocean if cruising "outside", particularly on those nice sunny days with nothing but big ocean swells. Coming upon the occasional big freighter or cruise ship and even being buzzed by aircraft ........ I gotta go buy a boat. Eisboch |
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mgg wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Hehe... Geneva... he's funny.... No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is. --Mike --Mike I agree. Krause lies and gets caught at it. What a putz. |
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On 3/15/2010 9:02 PM, HK wrote:
On 3/15/10 8:53 PM, Frogwatch wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Of course, My boat wasn't falling apart around me as yours is. I go fishing to relax. I don't really give a damn whether I catch any. Of course, I am a VERY VERY relaxed guy, so I really don't have to boat much. In fact, if you look at my posting history, you will see that I normally go boating about 3 or 4 times a year. I can't imagine anything worse than "boating" the way Whine boats. My god, what a waste of time, spending day after day on a boat, just enjoying yourself. |
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On 3/16/10 9:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:05 -0400, wrote: I had a sense of having accomplished something. You don't sit in a chair reading a book or snoozing. You are navigating, weather watching, planning, checking the boat mechanically, decision making and learning something. That's all true, plus one of the more memorable quotes from "the Perfect Storm" (the book): "No one ever gets tired of watching the water". Sounds like you're about ready for another ICW cruise. International cruising has yet another planning dimension that I'd never fully appreciated until this trip. The Bahamas are easy by comparison: You check in at the first port of entry, pay your $300, get your cruising permit, and then you can come and go as you please for up to 6 months, anywhere in the Bahamas. Down in the Caribbean almost every island, or group of islands, is a different country. You not only have to check in with customs, immigration and the Port Authority, known as "clearing in", but you also have to "clear out" out before you leave. If you don't clear out, then you can't check in to the next country because they will ask for your "out clearance" documents. It's a bit of a pain to those of us who are used to coming and going as we please but the rules are fairly easy to follow once you understand them. It does take some planning however. Another challenge is weather forecasting and planning. There are no weather channels on the VHF radio once you leave Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Local radio and television stations are few and far between, and usually in a language other than English. That leaves the internet, which has some really good weather resources when a connection is available, and various broadcast services on high frequency single side band radio (HF SSB). The HF SSB services require some specialized equipment and a certain amount of skill to receive and interpret the broadcasts. With the right equipment and/or computer software you can actually receive various weather charts and maps by fax 4 times a day. There are also various cruiser nets on both VHF and SSB where weather information is exchanged, and some people subscribe to private weather services such as the well known Chris Parker. Chris communicates with his clients by SSB radio, sat phone, or cell phone where it is available. Plus all that watchstanding, never-ending maintenance, gear that craps out, the joy of searching for parts or a decent repair yard or both, why, there's just no rest for the weary cruiser. And when you do get some sleep, it's in a marina with a boat full of drunks down the dock or in a quiet, charming cove where the local druggies row out, slit your throats, and steal your boat. It's a joy to get home alive, plop down in a real, unmusty bed, and just chill. Right? -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
Why we Float
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Have fun with your guitars. The fun part of the guitars is the people you meet and the education I am getting from the luthier I work with. The people fall into three basic categories. The first are "players" meaning people that actively gig publicly and are, in their minds, one song away from becoming famous. Some make it. Most don't. But it's enjoyable to witness the passion they have in trying. The second is the one that amazes me the most. There are more decent, very talented closet guitarists around than I ever imagined. They come from all walks of life ... from plumbers to doctors. They don't play publicly but have highly developed playing skills from years of casual practice as a hobby. Some are better than the ones gigging every other night at clubs. The third is the occasional pro that walks in the door and proceeds to blow you away. Haven't had many, but the few that have come in the shop quickly demonstrate the difference between a professional musician and us amateurs. There's one old guy that comes in fairly regularly. He likes playing traditional, wide necked classical guitars, so I found and purchased a fairly decent one that I keep at the shop for his visits. When he shows up, the amps are all turned off and he entertains whoever happens to be in the shop at the time with some of the most beautiful classical guitar playing I've heard. It's one thing to watch a video or listen to a recording. It's quite another to watch someone live playing flawlessly and with expression. This guy also plays jazz guitars using traditional chord melodies and occasionally a Fender Telecaster. One day I finally asked him, "Ok .. *who* are you?" Turns out he used to play in the Louie Armstrong band. Then there is the luthier I mentioned. Before meeting him a guitar was just a device with strings that you plucked to me. From him I've learned the history and some of the aspects of what makes a guitar work, from physics to the tone woods that are used. A guitar is one of the most unique musical instruments in existence when you get into the mathematics of the fretboard and formation possibilities of chords. For example, there's only a few ways to play a "C" chord on a piano, yet there are at least half a dozen ways to play it on a guitar. I don't know why, but it's interesting to me. It's a fun hobby and keeps me off the streets and out of bars. Eisboch All very interesting. And it not only keeps you off the streets and out of the bars, you don't have time to muck the stable. |
Why we Float
On 3/17/10 1:59 AM, D.Duck wrote:
mgg wrote: "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Hehe... Geneva... he's funny.... No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is. --Mike --Mike He doesn't care what nayone here thinks. Yeah, right. Wait...you think I should care what people I don't know and never will meet who post in a usenet newsgroup think? People who post with an alias? People who are right-wing trash? I'm supposed to care what people like you think? Why? One of the remaining advantages of this country is that it is fairly large. The odds are in my favor that I'm never going to encounter you or your fellow teabaggers in the real world. Heck, the odds are in my favor that I'll never encounter john herring in person again, and we both live in the same general area. In fact, I haven't seen that particular chunk of racist right-wing trash since...the summer of 2003, nearly seven years ago. He was an unpleasant prick then, and as he's aged and deteriorated further, has only gotten worse. Ta-ta. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
Why we Float
"HK" wrote in message m... Plus all that watchstanding, never-ending maintenance, gear that craps out, the joy of searching for parts or a decent repair yard or both, why, there's just no rest for the weary cruiser. And when you do get some sleep, it's in a marina with a boat full of drunks down the dock or in a quiet, charming cove where the local druggies row out, slit your throats, and steal your boat. Right? Apparently your traumatic boating experiences have affected your respect for boating. I have two suggestions: a. Purchase a quality boat. b. Move to a quality marina. Eisboch |
Why we Float
On 3/17/2010 6:58 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/17/10 1:59 AM, D.Duck wrote: mgg wrote: "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, HK wrote: On 3/16/10 11:14 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Mar 16, 10:23 am, wrote: On 3/16/10 10:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:05 -0400, wrote: I used to sail quite a bit and, in fact, owned a sailboat very similar to yours. I found sailing it on Chesapeake Bay to be very relaxing and peaceful. Sailing is a slow and outmoded form of transportation which usually results in going around in circles while cursing power boaters. I'd rather fly to where I'm going than waste my time slogging around with something like that. Well, sailing doesn't have to be slow...I saw one sailboat out in San Diego in 2008 that could sail circles around your barge...she just won the America's cup. I enjoyed my sailboat the three years on the bay I had her. She *was* not very fast. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. WHHHOOOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't you remember spewing THIS gem, fatass? Naw. I'd rather fly. My round trip to costa rica cost me about $370 in airfare, and took about seven hours in the air. Once there, did plenty of boating and fishing. To me, being where I want to be is a lot more fun than slogging my way there. To each his own You still cannot think in the abstract, eh, s.f.b.? Sailing around on a relatively small body of water, like Chesapeake Bay, was fun for me when we did it. Taking a slow trawler barge to get to Costa Rica would not be fun for me, now or back then. I wanted to get to C.R. so I could enjoy my time off *there*, not waste my off getting there. And, as I have posted many times, "to each his own." With a couple of breaks, this summer one of my clients will want me to attend a week-long meeting in Geneva. It's very tentative at the moment, but...I hope to fly to London, grab the Eurostar to Paris, and then the Lyria TGV to Geneva. On the way back, we'll rent a car so we can see some more of Switzerland and a decent part of France. High speed planes, high speed trains, lower speed car... :) You know, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just don't mind making yourself look like a complete idiot, do you? Do you honestly think that one single person believes you here after all of the lies you've told? Hehe... Geneva... he's funny.... No, not a soul here believes one word he writes. Even his buddies... they just won't admit it. Now, if he said he *wasn't* going to Geneva, I'd think that he was. What a putz that boy is. --Mike --Mike He doesn't care what nayone here thinks. Yeah, right. Wait...you think I should care what people I don't know and never will meet who post in a usenet newsgroup think? People who post with an alias? People who are right-wing trash? I'm supposed to care what people like you think? Why? One of the remaining advantages of this country is that it is fairly large. The odds are in my favor that I'm never going to encounter you or your fellow teabaggers in the real world. Heck, the odds are in my favor that I'll never encounter john herring in person again, and we both live in the same general area. In fact, I haven't seen that particular chunk of racist right-wing trash since...the summer of 2003, nearly seven years ago. He was an unpleasant prick then, and as he's aged and deteriorated further, has only gotten worse. Ta-ta. That prick would not go boating with me, and I really wanted him to be my friend. I mean, I just wanted anyone would would go boating with me. As it was, I had to sell me Big Parker, and trade it in for my Little Low Transom Parker. By the way, the fact that I try to live a Walter Mitty existence in rec.boats does not mean I am desperately seeking emotional support in rec.boats. NO IT DOESN'T. Ta-Ta |
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On 3/17/2010 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message m... Plus all that watchstanding, never-ending maintenance, gear that craps out, the joy of searching for parts or a decent repair yard or both, why, there's just no rest for the weary cruiser. And when you do get some sleep, it's in a marina with a boat full of drunks down the dock or in a quiet, charming cove where the local druggies row out, slit your throats, and steal your boat. Right? Apparently your traumatic boating experiences have affected your respect for boating. I have two suggestions: a. Purchase a quality boat. b. Move to a quality marina. Eisboch WHY? I rarely ever use the boat I have. |
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On 3/17/10 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message m... Plus all that watchstanding, never-ending maintenance, gear that craps out, the joy of searching for parts or a decent repair yard or both, why, there's just no rest for the weary cruiser. And when you do get some sleep, it's in a marina with a boat full of drunks down the dock or in a quiet, charming cove where the local druggies row out, slit your throats, and steal your boat. Right? Apparently your traumatic boating experiences have affected your respect for boating. I have two suggestions: a. Purchase a quality boat. b. Move to a quality marina. Eisboch D'oh. I've had no "traumatic" boating experiences. My response was based upon what I've read here and in the cruising newsgroup in the *charm* of long-distance cruising. The only "issues" I've had with boat quality the last two decades have actually been with two Merc engines with blown stators. I've had no "quality" issues with either of my Parkers or their Yamaha outboards. The sort of "cruising" most frequently described here...well, as I have stated previously, to each his own. Some of you boys seem to have a rough time understanding that concept, eh? :) My little vacation a couple of weeks ago provided me with a lot of "boating" and fishing, and was very relaxing. No maintenance, no watch-standing, no searching for parts, no worries about sandbars, shallows or reefs, no druggies, and, every night, good eats, no dishes to clean, a terrific room with a comfy bed, a nice shower, and a properly plumbed toilet. Oh, and some really interesting fellow guests with whom to swap the day's war stories. Since I am *not* retired and, hopefully, will be able to avoid such a state, I value the handful of vacations I get to take each year. To me, it's more fun to "be there" than to "get there." And, once again, to each his own. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
Why we Float
"HK" wrote in message ... On 3/17/10 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... Plus all that watchstanding, never-ending maintenance, gear that craps out, the joy of searching for parts or a decent repair yard or both, why, there's just no rest for the weary cruiser. And when you do get some sleep, it's in a marina with a boat full of drunks down the dock or in a quiet, charming cove where the local druggies row out, slit your throats, and steal your boat. Right? Apparently your traumatic boating experiences have affected your respect for boating. I have two suggestions: a. Purchase a quality boat. b. Move to a quality marina. Eisboch D'oh. I've had no "traumatic" boating experiences. My response was based upon what I've read here and in the cruising newsgroup in the *charm* of long-distance cruising. The only "issues" I've had with boat quality the last two decades have actually been with two Merc engines with blown stators. I've had no "quality" issues with either of my Parkers or their Yamaha outboards. The sort of "cruising" most frequently described here...well, as I have stated previously, to each his own. Some of you boys seem to have a rough time understanding that concept, eh? :) Some of you boys seem to have a rough time understanding the concept of humor. It was a joke. Eisboch |
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