obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:12:29 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 11:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:36 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How the hell did you graduate high school? You sound more stupid and
disconnected from reality with every post you make.

am i sounding like a teabagger?

Yep. Look up the definition, teabagger has nothing to do with Tea Party.

the teabaggers called themselves that 'til they found out what it
meant


Your agument says Bush
inherited a falling economy in his first year, so all problems were Clinton
caused

clinton passed on a balanced budget. and bush had 8 years to trash
the economy. y ou guys ignore that

Yep. Lets examine how Clinton did this.

Clinton says to banks, leverage up and keep rates artificially low so I
can spend the saved interest to balamnce the budget.

Banks say OK, while total nation's consumer debt starts its skyrocket in
a economi boom funded on debt. Filled the coffers and ablanced the
budget while debt funded it...until the balloon broke.

gee. and it took bush to screw it up. yet you blame it on the black
guy.

you say it was CLINTONS fault and bush had no control over the economy
after EIGHT YEARS????

but obama had TOTAL CONTROL over the economy from jan 20 of last year?

any mpre proof needed that you're a racist?

Obama though, is just making it worse. His debt-bailout-corruptions
trategy just might go over a cliff at some point.

your solution is 25% unemployment. a fact you refuse to admit, but
which would be the result of the collapse of the banking system

yep. blame the darkie. destroy the middle class.

typical right wing nonsense


but you racists want to blame it on obama and ignore the rich white
guy

Typical liberal peace of ****. Always someone elses fault

says the guy who says bush had NO control over the economy for 8 years

but obama had total control as of 12:01PM jan 20.

typical racist nonsense


Bushes fault at this point in the game is bull****. Time this
lib-dimwitt accepts the responsibility, stops dabling in debt-corruption
bailouts and invests in what works in American and tell the losser
leaches to bugger off.

he blames bush's problems on clinton...saying bush couldnt control
clintion's problems even after 8 years.

but then he says the darkie had control of the economy from the moment
his foot touched the carpet in the oval office

racist nonsense

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:16:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 7:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:22:27 -0700,
wrote:


that's racist



the policy was invented by bush's fed chairman ben bernanke

yet, because he worked for the rich white president you say nothing

racist

, I see GM going bankrupt thinking SEC
should be using SOX to charge Wagoner, yet Wagoner gets retirement
bonus. Same with banks, bonuses for losers. Big winners are the
Buffets not the middle class. Loser classes on the high and low end
living on middle class debt.

bush's tax cuts gutted the economy. you say nothing
bernanke engineering the bank rescue. he worked for the rich white
guy. you say nothing

you blame it all on the black guy. that's racist



that's racist

you need any more proof?

And what is Obama doing about it


he's letting bush's tax cuts expire

he's taking troops out of iraq

he's cutting discretionary spending where possible


Dick **** all, in fact he is spending 5 times faster than Bush

to cover bush's defict. the deficit already exists. it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy...but the darkie did from
day 1.

racist

.. Keeps
the killing going, lies to us all, actually better than Bush could.
Bush started TARP at democrat and Obamas green light. Set Obama up with
a good little olde boyz bailout machine.

a bailout machine designed to increase employment, which everyone
admits it did...and to stop a 29 type crash

but you're a racist right winger. you blame it on the darkie AND want
25% unemployment


Maybe we should have kept Bush, as at least he didn't rack up the debt
so damned fast.

it's his deficit we're fighting you moron

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On 21/02/2010 9:55 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:41:10 -0700,
wrote:



It has been my observation in life that 98% of the time someone accuses
someone else of being racists, they are in fact the racist ones. In
this case,Obama can do no wrong because he is black is also racist.

and yet you have NO explanation for why, even though the deficit was
caused by bush

I disagree. Bushed added to it. But Obama is spending at 5 times the
rate Bush did. The last 13 months, Obama has been driving with a
democrat budget. 2009 is 100% democrat f--k up.

Unless you thing Bush was still running things.

you claim obama wants to destroy america.

If I wanted to destroy America, I wouldn't do 9/11. Waste of time.
Just makes the bear ornery. I would do the economy, as a broken economy
and in debt the United States would be neutrazized as a #1 super power.
Work the corruption of DC to my ends.

If I could get a president to rack up the debt, blow it as inefficiently
as possible, squander it. And convincingly lie to the people to do as
much damage as possible before getting the boot, it would be a great
plan as it might take America 100 years to recover.

And Obama would be my man.

see, if you j ust claimed obama was a bad politiican, that's one thing

No, Obama is a great politician. So was Adolph Hitler. Both could talk
up storm with the perception of a good justification and get the masses
to do something real stupid.

I really don't think the people of Germany in 1934 knew what Hitler was
really about. But they liked his talk.

but your paranoid screeds about how he's presiding over the
destruction of america

Unfortuntely, if America goes down, 1/2 the world will suffer for a very
long time. It is why it is such an attractive target to destroy. And
militarily, no one can touch the US without being annailated. But an
attack from inside has one hell of a lot better chances for success.

even though ALL the deficit is bush's fault...

that's racist

It is. Because since January 2009 Obama is in charge of the
Administration of the United States. He was working with a predominanly
democrat congressional budget. At any time he could have said this
debt-corruption-bailout spending was madness and changed direction.

He has been in a clear unobstructed position to change it for 13 months
and is actually debt spending at a rate 5 times more than Bush.

Don't watch Obama's lips move, don't watch the talk, watch the walk. He
is walking America right into a deap hole.

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On 21/02/2010 9:57 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:38:47 -0700,
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.

Then I guess Obama has Bush signing the checks.

so you think obama shouldnt fund US defense, interest on the national
debt, social security, etc.

that your solution?

For 13 months the government has been on Obama's agenda.

People voted for change. They voted for Obama hoping he wasn't corrupt,
in someone elses pocket and would pull in the government horns and spending.

Now it is overdue for Obama to do what people wanted him to do.

People got more corruption, more debt, less jobs and the promise of more
taxes to fund an Obama super sized debt spend.

And the problems remain.

even though ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...is bush's fault

Whatever. If Obama is dumb enough to ask for $1.6 trillon debt spend in
2010 and wants to blame Bush... that is Obama's option.

But you will never change my mind, Obama is full of ****.

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On 21/02/2010 9:58 AM, bpuharic wrote:

all of the deficit is bush's fault.. he started the war in iraq. that
was a trillion

You really do know how to show your utter ignorance of the facts. Did
you make it through high school? I ask as to pass math takes some minor
amount ot rationalization capabilities.

Plonk until you have something more intelligent to spew other than
beligerance to reality.

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On 21/02/2010 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:37:48 -0500, wrote:

it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy

It is fair to blame the deregulation of the derivatives on Clinton, or
at least the gang of five he hired (Greenspan, Rubin, Summers,
Geithner and Reich) Three of them still guide financial policy for
Obama and Reich is still in the loop.
Have you seen the Frontline show about Brooksley Borne? (The Warning).
It is running now and also on the PBS web site.
I shows where this problem started and why it is not really fixed.
I know you blame it on Congress (particularly Gramm) but these were
the "experts" who advised congress and they worked for William
Jefferson Clinton.

There is a reason they did it. It was to prevent a 1980/81 interest
rate spike that occured. But by removing this, they also removed the
limiters prevening too much debt. Yes, they made debt cheap, but at the
price of an imbalance.

The imbalance still exists today. And there needs to be a way to limit
debt in order to put some sanity back into the system. Right now there
is no such balance. Thus, the problem still very much exists.

The liquidity crisis was the first real hard event of this, but I hate
the name, "liquidity" as it side tracks what really happened. What
really happened is even though the system is leveraged, the lenders
simply stopped lending as the yeilds were too low. Why lend money for
zero value return? All the risk and inadaquate return people just
stopped lending and moved money elsewhere.

Trouble really erupted in not in mortgages, but asset backed term paper
where loans terms were expiring and people wanted their money. Debtors
we unwilling to pay open market rates and started welshing. It is
really BS that home mortages were ever blamed although they did get
caught up in it. Most home owners were counting on a continuing
inflationary cycle to make sense of the debt levels, that never
happened. So many a welshers walked.

In fact, to this day this imbalance exists more than ever. Banks are
not really funded correctly with capital nor deposits. Welshers often
didn't pay for their welshing, but government and corrupt banks shifted
it to the taxpayers. And not one case has been tried for fraud or
debtor welshing.

Yep, the ponzi debt machine is still doing it.

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On 21/02/2010 7:20 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:45:55 -0500, anon-e-moose
wrote:

How the hell did you graduate high school? You sound more stupid and
disconnected from reality with every post you make. Your agument
says Bush inherited a falling economy in his first year, so all
problems were Clinton caused. Makes as much sense as absolving Obama
of any blame. He is the CEO, is his watch. The buck stops at Obama's
desk.

Simmer down Calif Bill. Why do you even attempt to reason with
blockheads like wf3f or Nom de pustule? In their eyes, Obama ****s
ice cream. They like the taste. You can't argue with that.

now let's see.

it's provable the problems were caused by the rich white guy

the right whiners blame it on the black guy 'cuz rich white guys never
cause problems

yeah they're right. it has zip to do with race

You'll do your best to make it a race issue, won't you, bpubic?

Funny, that is how I identify with him, pubic hair.

He is a LOLA. (Liberal Obama Lying Asshole).

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:56:59 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 9:57 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:38:47 -0700,
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.

Then I guess Obama has Bush signing the checks.

so you think obama shouldnt fund US defense, interest on the national
debt, social security, etc.

that your solution?

For 13 months the government has been on Obama's agenda.

and the deficit was created long before he got it. he's had to deal
with what he was given.

People got more corruption, more debt, less jobs

less jobs? really? you're the guy screaming we need 25% unemployment!


even though ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...is bush's fault

Whatever. If Obama is dumb enough to ask for $1.6 trillon debt spend in
2010 and wants to blame Bush... that is Obama's option.

But you will never change my mind, Obama is full of ****.

and he's black.

while the CAUSE of the problem...bush...was white.

and that, to you, is all the difference

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:00:03 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 9:58 AM, bpuharic wrote:

all of the deficit is bush's fault.. he started the war in iraq. that
was a trillion

You really do know how to show your utter ignorance of the facts. Did
you make it through high school? I ask as to pass math takes some minor
amount ot rationalization capabilities.

Plonk until you have something more intelligent to spew other than
beligerance to reality.

i notice you don't address the facts

bush started the iraq war: one trillion dollars

bush cut taxes for the rich

but he's white. so you ignore what he did

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:37:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy

It is fair to blame the deregulation of the derivatives on Clinton

actually phil gramm. while the commodity futures marketing act was
passed under clinton, phil gramm filibustered the bill until the SEC's
role in regulating derivatives was stripped from the bill.

, or
at least the gang of five he hired (Greenspan, Rubin, Summers,
Geithner and Reich) Three of them still guide financial policy for
Obama and Reich is still in the loop.

i agree. and they were just wrong. free market fundamentalism was
wrong.

Have you seen the Frontline show about Brooksley Borne?

she is famous, and it's a wonder she's not been given a high profile
position in the administration

(The Warning).
It is running now and also on the PBS web site.
I shows where this problem started and why it is not really fixed.
I know you blame it on Congress (particularly Gramm) but these were
the "experts" who advised congress and they worked for William
Jefferson Clinton.

and clinton did not filibuster the bill

gramm did. he's the one to thank for the fact dervatives were and are
unregulated