"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike

"mgg" wrote in message
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"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike

I guess that guy who tried to date a horse would be ok then...

--
Nom=de=Plume

mgg wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.
You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....
Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.
It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.
Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....

The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.
OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike



Indeed, Mikey, I'm not ambivalent or nervous about my heterosexuality,
and I'm not put off or made nervous by "gays." Gays are part of every
vibrant community, whereas closed-minded homophobes like you are not.

My wife and I love San Francisco. It is a beautiful city, with great
architecture, old and new; livable neighborhoods everywhere, terrific
restaurants, great meeting places, interesting shops, museums, whatever.
Like every big city, it has its problems, but as tourists they don't
impact us very much.

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few act
a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.

You mentioned you send your kids to Catholic schools. Now *that* might
be a major concern, what with all the pedophilia running rampant in
those places, eh?


--
Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles.

Harry wrote:

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few act
a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.

Harry wrote:
Harry wrote:

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few
act a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.


To this day I cant figure out why the kid didn't ask more questions. I
guess I should be happy that my kid learned to use a knife and fork to
eat with in special school.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:55:59 -0500, Harry
wrote:

mgg wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.
You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....
Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.
It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.
Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....

The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.
OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike



Indeed, Mikey, I'm not ambivalent or nervous about my heterosexuality,
and I'm not put off or made nervous by "gays." Gays are part of every
vibrant community, whereas closed-minded homophobes like you are not.

My wife and I love San Francisco. It is a beautiful city, with great
architecture, old and new; livable neighborhoods everywhere, terrific
restaurants, great meeting places, interesting shops, museums, whatever.
Like every big city, it has its problems, but as tourists they don't
impact us very much.

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few act
a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.

You mentioned you send your kids to Catholic schools. Now *that* might
be a major concern, what with all the pedophilia running rampant in
those places, eh?


I hope San Francisco's reputation helps keep these close-minded idiots
at a distance. Better for the city, its culture and its fans.

His kids are likely far more worldly than he.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:55:59 -0500, Harry
wrote:

mgg wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.
You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....
Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.
It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.
Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....
The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.
OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......

That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike


Indeed, Mikey, I'm not ambivalent or nervous about my heterosexuality,
and I'm not put off or made nervous by "gays." Gays are part of every
vibrant community, whereas closed-minded homophobes like you are not.

My wife and I love San Francisco. It is a beautiful city, with great
architecture, old and new; livable neighborhoods everywhere, terrific
restaurants, great meeting places, interesting shops, museums, whatever.
Like every big city, it has its problems, but as tourists they don't
impact us very much.

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few act
a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.

You mentioned you send your kids to Catholic schools. Now *that* might
be a major concern, what with all the pedophilia running rampant in
those places, eh?


I hope San Francisco's reputation helps keep these close-minded idiots
at a distance. Better for the city, its culture and its fans.

His kids are likely far more worldly than he.

Another nice attribute of SF: the downtown streets are full of people at
night, even weeknights, with all manner of folks shopping, dining, going
to clubs, whatever.

We've got two trips to California scheduled this year so far... :)

mgg wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.
You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....
Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.
It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.
Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....

The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.
OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike


I approve this post

"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:39:27 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me
is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat
from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike


I've been to SF and I know it has a large gay population. Personally,
I haven't seen them showing their *ss, but I guess that doesn't mean
they don't.

I'm not a homophobe. I have gay friends. I have gay friends that I
would trust as babysitters, but that doesn't describe all gay folks.

I stand by my original position.


You need to show up on Halloween.

You have gay friends... good for you. "but that doesn't describe all gay
folks." That's rich. "That" doesn't describe all _any_ folks.

--
Nom=de=Plume