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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:33:23 -0500, Harry
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:57:23 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:09:08 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:36:40 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:15:18 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:34:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... MESQUITE, Texas - The parents of a 4-year-old boy disciplined for having long hair have rejected a compromise from a Texas school board that agreed to adjust its grooming policy. The impasse means pre-kindergartner Taylor Pugh will remain in in-school suspension, sitting alone with a teacher's aide in a library. He has been sequestered from classmates at Floyd Elementary School in Mesquite, a Dallas suburb, since late November. After a closed-door meeting Monday, the Mesquite school board decided the boy could wear his hair in tight braids but keep it no longer than his ears. But his parents say the adjustment isn't enough for Taylor, who wears his hair long, covering his earlobes and shirt collar. His mother, Elizabeth Taylor, said she'll pull back Taylor's hair in a ponytail, acknowledging the style will keep him suspended. According to the district dress code, boys' hair must be kept out of the eyes and cannot extend below the bottom of earlobes or over the collar of a dress shirt. Fads in hairstyles "designed to attract attention to the individual or to disrupt the orderly conduct of the classroom or campus is not permitted," the policy states. The district is known for standing tough on its dress code. Last year, a seventh-grader was sent home for wearing black skinny pants. His parents chose to home-school him. On its Web site, the district says its code is in place because "students who dress and groom themselves neatly, and in an acceptable and appropriate manner, are more likely to become constructive members of the society in which we live." Taylor said her fight is not over. She and her husband are considering taking the district to court or appealing to the State Board of Education. "I know that there are a whole set of steps we can take," she said. God forbid individualism. That's too American for Texas. Where's the outrage by the right for the trampling of individual freedom??? Individual freedoms in a goverment-subsidized school? Since private (for profit) (and home) schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those "goverment-subsidized (sic) schools" their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, etc. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt on both sides of that argument. "government-subsidized (sic)"? Is that you have issues with a legitmately hyphenized word construction or that you object to the description of schools receiving government monies as being subsidized? My issue was with "goverment," not the rest of your straw man. It reminded me of nukular. Nice retype.... And your proposition that "schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those...schools...their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression" is not a sound proposition. (Don't worry. I won't (sic) you (even if you left out a comma).) http://www.wordnik.com/words/governm...dized/examples It is a VERY sound proposition. Private schools are private because they set themselves apart from "the public" because they espouse some belief or attitude that sets them apart from public schools. It is how they define themselves. Not withstanding that you have assigned fallacy to an interrogative, you have feigned erudition in clumsily applying a denotation generally employed in the quoting of an immediate sentential error. And if that isn't abstruse enough for you, your proposition was confined to the explicit contention that the expressed purpose of the private school is to *prevent* individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on. It is a narrow-minded proposition and can be denied by those who find other credible reasons to find legal, viable alternatives in private education that may be as benign as wanting to insure a quality education for a child. Your entire retort has been banal, if I may be equally condescending. Depends on the private, religious school. If the school is being run by fundamentalist christian protestants, it is run to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on, and socializing with children whose parents allow them to think. That may be. I have no real-world experience in that. |
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says... On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:33:23 -0500, Harry wrote: wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:57:23 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:09:08 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:36:40 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:15:18 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:34:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... MESQUITE, Texas - The parents of a 4-year-old boy disciplined for having long hair have rejected a compromise from a Texas school board that agreed to adjust its grooming policy. The impasse means pre-kindergartner Taylor Pugh will remain in in-school suspension, sitting alone with a teacher's aide in a library. He has been sequestered from classmates at Floyd Elementary School in Mesquite, a Dallas suburb, since late November. After a closed-door meeting Monday, the Mesquite school board decided the boy could wear his hair in tight braids but keep it no longer than his ears. But his parents say the adjustment isn't enough for Taylor, who wears his hair long, covering his earlobes and shirt collar. His mother, Elizabeth Taylor, said she'll pull back Taylor's hair in a ponytail, acknowledging the style will keep him suspended. According to the district dress code, boys' hair must be kept out of the eyes and cannot extend below the bottom of earlobes or over the collar of a dress shirt. Fads in hairstyles "designed to attract attention to the individual or to disrupt the orderly conduct of the classroom or campus is not permitted," the policy states. The district is known for standing tough on its dress code. Last year, a seventh-grader was sent home for wearing black skinny pants. His parents chose to home-school him. On its Web site, the district says its code is in place because "students who dress and groom themselves neatly, and in an acceptable and appropriate manner, are more likely to become constructive members of the society in which we live." Taylor said her fight is not over. She and her husband are considering taking the district to court or appealing to the State Board of Education. "I know that there are a whole set of steps we can take," she said. God forbid individualism. That's too American for Texas. Where's the outrage by the right for the trampling of individual freedom??? Individual freedoms in a goverment-subsidized school? Since private (for profit) (and home) schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those "goverment-subsidized (sic) schools" their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, etc. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt on both sides of that argument. "government-subsidized (sic)"? Is that you have issues with a legitmately hyphenized word construction or that you object to the description of schools receiving government monies as being subsidized? My issue was with "goverment," not the rest of your straw man. It reminded me of nukular. Nice retype.... And your proposition that "schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those...schools...their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression" is not a sound proposition. (Don't worry. I won't (sic) you (even if you left out a comma).) http://www.wordnik.com/words/governm...dized/examples It is a VERY sound proposition. Private schools are private because they set themselves apart from "the public" because they espouse some belief or attitude that sets them apart from public schools. It is how they define themselves. Not withstanding that you have assigned fallacy to an interrogative, you have feigned erudition in clumsily applying a denotation generally employed in the quoting of an immediate sentential error. And if that isn't abstruse enough for you, your proposition was confined to the explicit contention that the expressed purpose of the private school is to *prevent* individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on. It is a narrow-minded proposition and can be denied by those who find other credible reasons to find legal, viable alternatives in private education that may be as benign as wanting to insure a quality education for a child. Your entire retort has been banal, if I may be equally condescending. Depends on the private, religious school. If the school is being run by fundamentalist christian protestants, it is run to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on, and socializing with children whose parents allow them to think. Fundamentalist christian protestantism is the american version of talibanism. I really wasn't trying to go there, but since you have.... one of the chairs at my college developed a very general program to aid home schoolers in learning teaching strategies, how to spot learning disabilities, etc...... The program never happened. She was absolutely vilified by the fundies, not only verbally, but in writing on forums and blogs. Purely an US agin' THEM (public/worldly heathen) argument that held no substance, but was all about how folks had been indoctrinated. I've had better than 37 years to see this over and over and over...... whether religious, cultural, socioeconomic, whatever, it all comes out the same...... indoctrination over education...... I know lot's of young athletes who are home schooled so they can spend more time working on their sport and participate in national events. Penn-Foster is popular, and there are a few other good secular home school programs. When I home schooled my daughter for two years it was not as easy to find secular programs, but there are plenty of them out there now. Back then, we actually worked with the school and combined two programs along with a lot of material from the school in town. She was able to attend some functions too. As to your long history of hate and bigotry against anything non-secular, this line of thought from you is not unexpected but still, way off the mark as usual... ![]() |
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When I home schooled my daughter for two years Holy schitt...are no qualifications necessary to home school someone? -- Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles. |
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On Jan 12, 9:58*pm, Harry wrote:
I am Tosk wrote: * When I home schooled my daughter for two years Holy schitt...are no qualifications necessary to home school someone? -- Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles.. Well, Ingerfool had to stand OUTside the fence at the School. He isn't allowed on the grounds due to his affliction with spending weekends in a Tent with young girls. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:42:11 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:28 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:33:23 -0500, Harry wrote: wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:57:23 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:09:08 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:36:40 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:15:18 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:34:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... MESQUITE, Texas - The parents of a 4-year-old boy disciplined for having long hair have rejected a compromise from a Texas school board that agreed to adjust its grooming policy. The impasse means pre-kindergartner Taylor Pugh will remain in in-school suspension, sitting alone with a teacher's aide in a library. He has been sequestered from classmates at Floyd Elementary School in Mesquite, a Dallas suburb, since late November. After a closed-door meeting Monday, the Mesquite school board decided the boy could wear his hair in tight braids but keep it no longer than his ears. But his parents say the adjustment isn't enough for Taylor, who wears his hair long, covering his earlobes and shirt collar. His mother, Elizabeth Taylor, said she'll pull back Taylor's hair in a ponytail, acknowledging the style will keep him suspended. According to the district dress code, boys' hair must be kept out of the eyes and cannot extend below the bottom of earlobes or over the collar of a dress shirt. Fads in hairstyles "designed to attract attention to the individual or to disrupt the orderly conduct of the classroom or campus is not permitted," the policy states. The district is known for standing tough on its dress code. Last year, a seventh-grader was sent home for wearing black skinny pants. His parents chose to home-school him. On its Web site, the district says its code is in place because "students who dress and groom themselves neatly, and in an acceptable and appropriate manner, are more likely to become constructive members of the society in which we live." Taylor said her fight is not over. She and her husband are considering taking the district to court or appealing to the State Board of Education. "I know that there are a whole set of steps we can take," she said. God forbid individualism. That's too American for Texas. Where's the outrage by the right for the trampling of individual freedom??? Individual freedoms in a goverment-subsidized school? Since private (for profit) (and home) schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those "goverment-subsidized (sic) schools" their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, etc. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt on both sides of that argument. "government-subsidized (sic)"? Is that you have issues with a legitmately hyphenized word construction or that you object to the description of schools receiving government monies as being subsidized? My issue was with "goverment," not the rest of your straw man. It reminded me of nukular. Nice retype.... And your proposition that "schools are created for the purpose of segregating children from those...schools...their expressed purpose is to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression" is not a sound proposition. (Don't worry. I won't (sic) you (even if you left out a comma).) http://www.wordnik.com/words/governm...dized/examples It is a VERY sound proposition. Private schools are private because they set themselves apart from "the public" because they espouse some belief or attitude that sets them apart from public schools. It is how they define themselves. Not withstanding that you have assigned fallacy to an interrogative, you have feigned erudition in clumsily applying a denotation generally employed in the quoting of an immediate sentential error. And if that isn't abstruse enough for you, your proposition was confined to the explicit contention that the expressed purpose of the private school is to *prevent* individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on. It is a narrow-minded proposition and can be denied by those who find other credible reasons to find legal, viable alternatives in private education that may be as benign as wanting to insure a quality education for a child. Your entire retort has been banal, if I may be equally condescending. Depends on the private, religious school. If the school is being run by fundamentalist christian protestants, it is run to prevent individual thought, freedom, expression, and so on, and socializing with children whose parents allow them to think. Fundamentalist christian protestantism is the american version of talibanism. I really wasn't trying to go there, but since you have.... one of the chairs at my college developed a very general program to aid home schoolers in learning teaching strategies, how to spot learning disabilities, etc...... The program never happened. She was absolutely vilified by the fundies, not only verbally, but in writing on forums and blogs. Purely an US agin' THEM (public/worldly heathen) argument that held no substance, but was all about how folks had been indoctrinated. I've had better than 37 years to see this over and over and over...... whether religious, cultural, socioeconomic, whatever, it all comes out the same...... indoctrination over education...... I know lot's of young athletes who are home schooled so they can spend more time working on their sport and participate in national events. Penn-Foster is popular, and there are a few other good secular home school programs. When I home schooled my daughter for two years it was not as easy to find secular programs, but there are plenty of them out there now. Back then, we actually worked with the school and combined two programs along with a lot of material from the school in town. She was able to attend some functions too. As to your long history of hate and bigotry against anything non-secular, this line of thought from you is not unexpected but still, way off the mark as usual... ![]() Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue beyond some weighted geographic issues.... The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver... You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack depth of experience. And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time? |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:59:18 -0500, Gene
wrote: snipped for brevity Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue beyond some weighted geographic issues.... The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver... You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack depth of experience. And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time? Yes, I have, and my son attended both a private school and a Baptist Academy for several years. In addition to all of that..... I have learned from my mistakes...... I judge, from your posts, that you haven't. You judge poorly then. I have never homeschooled. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:33:26 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:25 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:59:18 -0500, Gene wrote: snipped for brevity Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue beyond some weighted geographic issues.... The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver... You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack depth of experience. And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time? Yes, I have, and my son attended both a private school and a Baptist Academy for several years. In addition to all of that..... I have learned from my mistakes...... I judge, from your posts, that you haven't. You judge poorly then. I have never homeschooled. Well... that explains a LOT..... again, you are waxing eloquent about a subject you have no knowledge or personal experience. I thought you were an idiot..... I didn't realize you just didn't know what you were talking about..... OK...... I'm good..... The sensible and honest reader will note that I have refrained from making any statements of fact that would lead one to believe that the author of these lines is an expert in homeschooling. In fact, I doubt that a challenge to corroborate such an assertion would yield much evidence that this humble person made any statements of fact in this regard. What this person did do, aside from making a few meager inquiries, was to illustrate the poor thinking of a pontificating, ultra-resplendent academician. And it would appear from the knee-jerk response of the Infallible Erudite from the Great Halls of Conceit, that the sting of that illustration was...tangible. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:32:27 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:50:03 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:33:26 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:25 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:59:18 -0500, Gene wrote: snipped for brevity Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue beyond some weighted geographic issues.... The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver... You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack depth of experience. And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time? Yes, I have, and my son attended both a private school and a Baptist Academy for several years. In addition to all of that..... I have learned from my mistakes...... I judge, from your posts, that you haven't. You judge poorly then. I have never homeschooled. Well... that explains a LOT..... again, you are waxing eloquent about a subject you have no knowledge or personal experience. I thought you were an idiot..... I didn't realize you just didn't know what you were talking about..... OK...... I'm good..... The sensible and honest reader will note that I have refrained from making any statements of fact that would lead one to believe that the author of these lines is an expert in homeschooling. In fact, I doubt that a challenge to corroborate such an assertion would yield much evidence that this humble person made any statements of fact in this regard. What this person did do, aside from making a few meager inquiries, was to illustrate the poor thinking of a pontificating, ultra-resplendent academician. And it would appear from the knee-jerk response of the Infallible Erudite from the Great Halls of Conceit, that the sting of that illustration was...tangible. Wow! I thought Spiro T. Agnew passed in 1996, but perhaps you are channeling him... No meager inquiries, in fact, you admitted to being condescending. If fact appears to you as pontification and academia offends you as being too intellectual, please feel comfortable in your liberal yet parochial views. You will surely find comfort as others, here, have posted with respect to the evils of intellectuals, so you should be able to find many soul mates.... I didn't note any illustration, but if the images in your mind give your comfort, please enjoy them. In the future, please let me know if you are responding with eloquent verbiage, rather than any experience or knowledge on the subject. It will greatly enhance the reader's experience..... Generally, I prefer to have discourse with folks that have knowledge of a subject, rather than a patter of magical words... Who's going to permit you to find refuge in the red herring? There is nothing to suggest that I'm anti-intellectual in any of this discourse. What should be obvious, even to you, is that I oppose conceit. Experience is not the issue when you have served up a game of feigned intellectualism replete with examples of poor thinking. Are you able to redeem yourself? To put the onus on lack of experience is disingenuous, when the term itself is broad and generic. If my experience is in the dialectic, do you bear the conceit to deny it? All you have to do to play your game is to put the focus on my verbiage. You, my conceited fellow, are in error. |
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:32:27 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:50:03 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:33:26 -0500, Gene wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:25 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:59:18 -0500, Gene wrote: snipped for brevity Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue beyond some weighted geographic issues.... The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver... You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack depth of experience. And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time? Yes, I have, and my son attended both a private school and a Baptist Academy for several years. In addition to all of that..... I have learned from my mistakes...... I judge, from your posts, that you haven't. You judge poorly then. I have never homeschooled. Well... that explains a LOT..... again, you are waxing eloquent about a subject you have no knowledge or personal experience. I thought you were an idiot..... I didn't realize you just didn't know what you were talking about..... OK...... I'm good..... The sensible and honest reader will note that I have refrained from making any statements of fact that would lead one to believe that the author of these lines is an expert in homeschooling. In fact, I doubt that a challenge to corroborate such an assertion would yield much evidence that this humble person made any statements of fact in this regard. What this person did do, aside from making a few meager inquiries, was to illustrate the poor thinking of a pontificating, ultra-resplendent academician. And it would appear from the knee-jerk response of the Infallible Erudite from the Great Halls of Conceit, that the sting of that illustration was...tangible. Wow! I thought Spiro T. Agnew passed in 1996, but perhaps you are channeling him... No meager inquiries, in fact, you admitted to being condescending. If fact appears to you as pontification and academia offends you as being too intellectual, please feel comfortable in your liberal yet parochial views. You will surely find comfort as others, here, have posted with respect to the evils of intellectuals, so you should be able to find many soul mates.... I didn't note any illustration, but if the images in your mind give your comfort, please enjoy them. In the future, please let me know if you are responding with eloquent verbiage, rather than any experience or knowledge on the subject. It will greatly enhance the reader's experience..... Generally, I prefer to have discourse with folks that have knowledge of a subject, rather than a patter of magical words... Who's going to permit you to find refuge in the red herring? There is nothing to suggest that I'm anti-intellectual in any of this discourse. What should be obvious, even to you, is that I oppose conceit. Experience is not the issue when you have served up a game of feigned intellectualism replete with examples of poor thinking. Are you able to redeem yourself? To put the onus on lack of experience is disingenuous, when the term itself is broad and generic. If my experience is in the dialectic, do you bear the conceit to deny it? All you have to do to play your game is to put the focus on my verbiage. You, my conceited fellow, are in error. Frankly, you have nothing to offer but overblown "verbiage." |
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