On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:54 -0800, jps wrote:



You must have a very small number of apps. Defragging can be done
while sleeping on an XP or earlier machine. Vista and 7 take care of
it themselves.

Haven't done that in a long time with my XP machines.
In the pre-XP days I would do a backup to tape, then restore instead
of defragging.
The tape was written and restored/reindexed with data contiguous and
ran in about 1/3 the time of a defrag.
I restore from image occasionally now, and I'm not sure if Ghost
re-indexes and shuffles the data back on the tracks more efficiently
than what they were. Might, since the restore is always considerably
faster than making the image.
Defrag head seeking is inefficient as hell.

--Vic

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:06:21 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:19:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:13:44 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:25:18 -0500, wrote:



Google the file name of all of them. It is cumbersome but it will give
you an idea of what it is.

I was hoping for something a little more automated. But, if that's the
only way, then that's what I'll do.

You'll soon know which ones are ok, and just check the unfamiliar.
I'll repeat myself. Get an imager, like Ghost or the Acronis product.
Learn that. It's easy.
Anytime there's a question about your system being corrupt, restore
the image.
It's fast, no pain, and foolproof if you put a little initial thought
into it. Then you just don't worry at all about virii or other system
corruption.

--Vic

Thanks Vic.

Let me know if you need tips on file handling, and good processes to
follow. That's the key.

--Vic

On 12/17/09 9:32 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:06:21 -0500, John
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:19:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:13:44 -0500, John
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:25:18 -0500, wrote:



Google the file name of all of them. It is cumbersome but it will give
you an idea of what it is.

I was hoping for something a little more automated. But, if that's the
only way, then that's what I'll do.

You'll soon know which ones are ok, and just check the unfamiliar.
I'll repeat myself. Get an imager, like Ghost or the Acronis product.
Learn that. It's easy.
Anytime there's a question about your system being corrupt, restore
the image.
It's fast, no pain, and foolproof if you put a little initial thought
into it. Then you just don't worry at all about virii or other system
corruption.

--Vic

Thanks Vic.

Let me know if you need tips on file handling, and good processes to
follow. That's the key.

--Vic


Oh, *this* is going to be really funny...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:38:40 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

I've never had to do a reformat just to unclog a computer. Maybe I've
just been lucky.

There is one ugly Trojan/worm/virus out there that will probably have
you reloading the system.
I got it opening an active x page on a web site about caster scooters.
McAfee was popping up warnings faster than the engine could handle
them, I suppose and something got through. I tried a half dozen
different scanners and removers for the various messages I was getting
but nothing stopped the root failure. This thing was grabbing anything
that made a call to change the registry or any other system
maintenance task and popping up a gray box message that was, itself
bogus. It wouldn't even run regedit in command line, safe mode. You
couldn't get to anything close to system restore. The desktop was
hijacked and said "your system is corrupted".
Real ugly stuff. I think they also sent a payload of other crap along
with the original virus.Every scanner I ran, found and said it removed
something but still no joy.
I finally just low leveled, repartitioned and reformatted the C:
drive.

Man, it's been a long time since I got something like that... Knock on
wood....

In article ,
om says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:25:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:47:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:07:41 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.
--

John H

Get Eusing Free Registry Cleaner. Nearly all of them offer a free scan that
comes up with 8,649,345 problems, or something of the sort, but will only
fix 25 for free. Then they hit you for your credit card number. Download
Eusing, and you can send them some cash if you want. Otherwise, it's free,
and it's as good as what you'd buy.

Yer welcome.

Steve


Steve - next question.

When I do a ctrl-alt-delete and look at the 'Processes' list, I see
about 40 executables running. What is a good way to verify which
should or shouldn't be running?

Google the file name of all of them. It is cumbersome but it will give
you an idea of what it is.

I was hoping for something a little more automated. But, if that's the
only way, then that's what I'll do.


About the virus thing. I hadn't had anything for years and I ran my
W/98 machine "bareback" for most of that time. I just got on XP last
spring. I wonder if this last thing would have even "stuck" on W/98.
If I could find the web site again I might load up a sacrificial
machine and go look. I have a bunch of old machines around here.

I wouldn't bother. When your machine slows down, do a rebuild and be
done with it. The biggest part of the process is over time organizing
your information so it can be easily backed up, and more importantly,
restored to the "new" system.

I put most information into separate folders including copies of
settings for each program, favorites, picture and vid galleries,
personal info and communications, *passwords and logins*, program
registrations, etc. Put all logins and associated information from all
programs and make file cards or similar, lock them up. Take your time
doing this, make sure you keep several (at least 3) copies of
everything. Test your ability to restore that info to a newly rebuilt
windows system.

Then every few months or if I suspect a big problem that the usual
amtivirus won't take care of, I format, rebuild windows, set up the
antivirus, Internet, and over a few days, put back all of my programs
and logins, etc...

In the mean time I suppose you can do what you have been doing, but if
you have that much time, I would work on a good back up and restore
system...

Just my .02

Scotty

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:29 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 12/17/09 11:45 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
om says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

If you're a simple user like The Freak, I might agree. For those who
have lots of applications they use and would have to reinstall, it's a
bloody waste of time.

Registry Mechanic does a decent job. Vista and Win 7 both do a good
job of keeping the disc defragged.


Two of the aspects of Windozes I don't miss:

the registry
the need to defrag hard drives

There is no registry in the Apple OS, and it is pretty simple to remove
a program and all its pieces and parts. Also, the OS seems to keep the
drive(s) pretty much defragged on its own.

Backups and restores are much easier, too.

But I still like Windoze.

That's where I was headed with this.... defragging is a fragging waste
of time.... better spend wiping and re-installing.

Yeah, we run lots of software packages and OS here but I can usually do
a tear down and rebuild in one evening. The key is to have everything
ready in advance. A good plan goes a long way. Even for those German
screwdriver applications the "elite" users here install. snerk

On 12/18/09 2:03 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:29 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/17/09 11:45 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
om says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

If you're a simple user like The Freak, I might agree. For those who
have lots of applications they use and would have to reinstall, it's a
bloody waste of time.

Registry Mechanic does a decent job. Vista and Win 7 both do a good
job of keeping the disc defragged.


Two of the aspects of Windozes I don't miss:

the registry
the need to defrag hard drives

There is no registry in the Apple OS, and it is pretty simple to remove
a program and all its pieces and parts. Also, the OS seems to keep the
drive(s) pretty much defragged on its own.

Backups and restores are much easier, too.

But I still like Windoze.

That's where I was headed with this.... defragging is a fragging waste
of time.... better spend wiping and re-installing.

Yeah, we run lots of software packages and OS here but I can usually do
a tear down and rebuild in one evening. The key is to have everything
ready in advance. A good plan goes a long way. Even for those German
screwdriver applications the "elite" users here install.snerk

There's room in that kitchen for motorcycles *and* lots of software
packages?

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:26:11 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 12/18/09 2:03 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:29 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/17/09 11:45 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
om says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

If you're a simple user like The Freak, I might agree. For those who
have lots of applications they use and would have to reinstall, it's a
bloody waste of time.

Registry Mechanic does a decent job. Vista and Win 7 both do a good
job of keeping the disc defragged.


Two of the aspects of Windozes I don't miss:

the registry
the need to defrag hard drives

There is no registry in the Apple OS, and it is pretty simple to remove
a program and all its pieces and parts. Also, the OS seems to keep the
drive(s) pretty much defragged on its own.

Backups and restores are much easier, too.

But I still like Windoze.

That's where I was headed with this.... defragging is a fragging waste
of time.... better spend wiping and re-installing.

Yeah, we run lots of software packages and OS here but I can usually do
a tear down and rebuild in one evening. The key is to have everything
ready in advance. A good plan goes a long way. Even for those German
screwdriver applications the "elite" users here install.snerk

There's room in that kitchen for motorcycles *and* lots of software
packages?

HD Floppies take hardly any space at all.

On 12/18/09 6:28 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:26:11 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/18/09 2:03 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:29 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/17/09 11:45 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
om says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

If you're a simple user like The Freak, I might agree. For those who
have lots of applications they use and would have to reinstall, it's a
bloody waste of time.

Registry Mechanic does a decent job. Vista and Win 7 both do a good
job of keeping the disc defragged.


Two of the aspects of Windozes I don't miss:

the registry
the need to defrag hard drives

There is no registry in the Apple OS, and it is pretty simple to remove
a program and all its pieces and parts. Also, the OS seems to keep the
drive(s) pretty much defragged on its own.

Backups and restores are much easier, too.

But I still like Windoze.

That's where I was headed with this.... defragging is a fragging waste
of time.... better spend wiping and re-installing.

Yeah, we run lots of software packages and OS here but I can usually do
a tear down and rebuild in one evening. The key is to have everything
ready in advance. A good plan goes a long way. Even for those German
screwdriver applications the "elite" users here install.snerk

There's room in that kitchen for motorcycles *and* lots of software
packages?

HD Floppies take hardly any space at all.


Some months ago, justhate was having difficulties setting up mozilla
thunderbird. I may not have this part right, but I think loogie was
trying to help him. If you can't figure out how to set up thunderbird,
you sure as hell cannot run an ISP, as justhate claims to do. If you
have to depend upon justhate or loogie for technical help, you might as
well trade in your computer for an abacus.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:53:22 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 12/18/09 6:28 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:26:11 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/18/09 2:03 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:29 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/17/09 11:45 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:22:43 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:44:31 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
om says...

...is it worth $29.95? Anyone use it? Supposedly it's good for
amateurs like me.

I would never use it. When I get clogged up I do a format and rebuild.
Over the years I have probably averaged twice a year.

As infinitely painful as it is.... this is the best advice.

If you're a simple user like The Freak, I might agree. For those who
have lots of applications they use and would have to reinstall, it's a
bloody waste of time.

Registry Mechanic does a decent job. Vista and Win 7 both do a good
job of keeping the disc defragged.


Two of the aspects of Windozes I don't miss:

the registry
the need to defrag hard drives

There is no registry in the Apple OS, and it is pretty simple to remove
a program and all its pieces and parts. Also, the OS seems to keep the
drive(s) pretty much defragged on its own.

Backups and restores are much easier, too.

But I still like Windoze.

That's where I was headed with this.... defragging is a fragging waste
of time.... better spend wiping and re-installing.

Yeah, we run lots of software packages and OS here but I can usually do
a tear down and rebuild in one evening. The key is to have everything
ready in advance. A good plan goes a long way. Even for those German
screwdriver applications the "elite" users here install.snerk

There's room in that kitchen for motorcycles *and* lots of software
packages?

HD Floppies take hardly any space at all.


Some months ago, justhate was having difficulties setting up mozilla
thunderbird. I may not have this part right, but I think loogie was
trying to help him. If you can't figure out how to set up thunderbird,
you sure as hell cannot run an ISP, as justhate claims to do. If you
have to depend upon justhate or loogie for technical help, you might as
well trade in your computer for an abacus.

Snotty runs an ISP?

That's an acronym for what, Illegitimate Spankers and Pussies?
Inebriated Stool Patrol? Insanely Stupid Putzes?

He could probably head up the local Klan chapter meeting if Herring
was busy working on race for a cure.