To my liberal friends...
 

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made
without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical
ability-agility-stability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wish giver or receiver.
--

John H

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere .

John, outside of Pres. Washington's proclamation of a day of
Thanksgiving and Prayer, I think that's one of the longest sentences
I've ever read.

To my liberal friends...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made
without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical
ability-agility-stability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wish giver or receiver.
--

John H


Same to you!

--
Nom=de=Plume

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 14, 9:08*pm, John H wrote:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made
without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical
ability-agility-stability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wish giver or receiver.
--

John H

Friggin' bigot.

To my liberal friends...
 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere .

John, outside of Pres. Washington's proclamation of a day of
Thanksgiving and Prayer, I think that's one of the longest sentences
I've ever read.


I'll have to be honest here. I didn't write it. I got it in a
Christmas Greetings along with the conservative one. I thought it was
nicely done, though, in a way that wouldn't offend the sensibilities
of anyone here.

I'm glad to see no one was offended.
--

John H

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 8:56*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere .

John, outside of Pres. Washington's proclamation of a day of
Thanksgiving and Prayer, I think that's one of the longest sentences
I've ever read.

I'll have to be honest here. I didn't write it. I got it in a
Christmas Greetings along with the conservative one. I thought it was
nicely done, though, in a way that wouldn't offend the sensibilities
of anyone here.

I'm glad to see no one was offended.
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. You did it to do nothing BUT offend.

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 10:30*am, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:53:52 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker

wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:56*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, ...... snips

Bull****. You did it to do nothing BUT offend.

Give him some slack Loog.... he's walking a tight rope, here, between
heaven and hell...... *this post might save him from the fires of
eternal damnation, to which the "conservative" post surely destined
him.

For your salvation:http://tinyurl.com/yamagpu


Oh, I see!!!

To my liberal friends...
 

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Dec 15, 8:56 am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





On Dec 14, 8:08 pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without
due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the
only America in the Western Hemisphere .

John, outside of Pres. Washington's proclamation of a day of
Thanksgiving and Prayer, I think that's one of the longest sentences
I've ever read.

I'll have to be honest here. I didn't write it. I got it in a
Christmas Greetings along with the conservative one. I thought it was
nicely done, though, in a way that wouldn't offend the sensibilities
of anyone here.

I'm glad to see no one was offended.
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. You did it to do nothing BUT offend.


Of course, but it backfired.


--
Nom=de=Plume

To my liberal friends...
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:30:02 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:53:52 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Dec 15, 8:56*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, ...... snips

Bull****. You did it to do nothing BUT offend.

Give him some slack Loog.... he's walking a tight rope, here, between
heaven and hell...... this post might save him from the fires of
eternal damnation, to which the "conservative" post surely destined
him.

For your salvation:
http://tinyurl.com/yamagpu


Might I suggest this as a form of supplication:
http://tinyurl.com/y9wn647

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists. That's a shame. Here's
what it's all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0C5...eature=related

Anyway, I sure like the slippers on the grinch suit. Wonder if they
can be bought separately?
--

John H

To my liberal friends...
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:45:37 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

I doubt there are any Christians who are ****ed off that other
Christians get joy from the Christmas season.

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

With what broad brush did I paint Christians? I've no problem with the
pagan aspects of Christmas ****ing off some Christians. Just remember
that the spiritual/religious aspects of Christmas are a violation of
everything that is politically correct. Maybe the fact that a Nativity
Scene commemorating the birth of Jesus is illegal to display in most
places is ****ing some of them off also.

Each to his own. If you get no joy from the Christmas season, and that
makes you happy, then more power to you.

I'd love to meet a kid that wouldn't want a present if given to
him/her.
--

John H

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

To my liberal friends...
 

On 12/15/09 8:36 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....


"Christians" conveniently forget how many wars "christians" have waged
against other christians and people of other faiths, how many
individuals have been murdered, tortured, or maimed in the name of
christianity, or how many cultures have been wiped out in the name of
christianity. In terms of killings over the last 2000 years, there's not
much difference between the christian and muslim faiths.

Hell, you don't have to look further than this newsgroup to find
"christians" who pay no attention to the teachings of their "savior,"
and yet believe their are following their faith.

To my liberal friends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

To my liberal friends...
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:34:41 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:40:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

No.... just a little background.... since it seems you don't get out
much....

He's out and about all the time, visiting echo chambers.

To my liberal friends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:40:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

No.... just a little background.... since it seems you don't get out
much....

Yeah, the last bastion of the "informed elite". I have done about as
much traveling as most here and get out plenty. I don't get out to
campus bars, coffee clutches, or union meetings...

To my liberal friends...
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

To my liberal friends...
 

In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/15/09 8:36 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....


"Christians" conveniently forget how many wars "christians" have waged
against other christians and people of other faiths, how many
individuals have been murdered, tortured, or maimed in the name of
christianity, or how many cultures have been wiped out in the name of
christianity. In terms of killings over the last 2000 years, there's not
much difference between the christian and muslim faiths.

Hell, you don't have to look further than this newsgroup to find
"christians" who pay no attention to the teachings of their "savior,"
and yet believe their are following their faith.

Is this really you? Looks like it.. Anyway, you and you friends here
have proven numerous times that you are bigoted and ignorant about
modern Christians. Your input on such matters is irrelevant and in most
cases, dishonest and deceptive.. Anyway, too bad you came back, hope it
was hell, wherever you were. plonk

To my liberal friends...
 

On 12/16/09 5:42 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articleG82dnf8i4pOUobXWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

On 12/15/09 8:36 PM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186

no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....


"Christians" conveniently forget how many wars "christians" have waged
against other christians and people of other faiths, how many
individuals have been murdered, tortured, or maimed in the name of
christianity, or how many cultures have been wiped out in the name of
christianity. In terms of killings over the last 2000 years, there's not
much difference between the christian and muslim faiths.

Hell, you don't have to look further than this newsgroup to find
"christians" who pay no attention to the teachings of their "savior,"
and yet believe their are following their faith.

Is this really you? Looks like it.. Anyway, you and you friends here
have proven numerous times that you are bigoted and ignorant about
modern Christians. Your input on such matters is irrelevant and in most
cases, dishonest and deceptive.. Anyway, too bad you came back, hope it
was hell, wherever you were.plonk


Please elucidate on your posit that we are "bigoted and ignorant about
modern christians." From what I have seen you post here, I suspect I
know far more about that religion than you do.

You seem to be unaware that your saviour was a man of great social
consciousness, and got into serious trouble by pointing out shortcomings
of the society in which he lived. You, on the other hand, are neither
social nor conscious, but I'm sure you understand the problems of being
short.

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 3:59*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:30:02 -0500, Gene





wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:53:52 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Dec 15, 8:56*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 14, 8:08*pm, John H wrote:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, ...... snips

Bull****. You did it to do nothing BUT offend.

Give him some slack Loog.... he's walking a tight rope, here, between
heaven and hell...... *this post might save him from the fires of
eternal damnation, to which the "conservative" post surely destined
him.

For your salvation:
http://tinyurl.com/yamagpu

Might I suggest this as a form of supplication:
http://tinyurl.com/y9wn647

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists. That's a shame. Here's
what it's all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0C5...eature=related

Anyway, I sure like the slippers on the grinch suit. Wonder if they
can be bought separately?
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why would people getting "enjoyment" **** of the atheists? Do you
think that they don't want anybody to be happy?

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.

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On Dec 15, 7:40*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:45:37 -0500, Gene

wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

I doubt there are any Christians who are ****ed off that other
Christians get joy from the Christmas season.

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

With what broad brush did I paint Christians? I've no problem with the
pagan aspects of Christmas ****ing off some Christians. Just remember
that the spiritual/religious aspects of Christmas are a violation of
everything that is politically correct. Maybe the fact that a Nativity
Scene commemorating the birth of Jesus is illegal to display in most
places is ****ing some of them off also.

Each to his own. If you get no joy from the Christmas season, and that
makes you happy, then more power to you.

I'd love to meet a kid that wouldn't want a present if given to
him/her.
--

John H

Is it your contention that only christian children get joy from
Christmas?

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On Dec 15, 7:50*pm, "*e#c" wrote:
On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:





On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........- Hide quoted text -

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Or christians. Or Buddhists, Or space aliens.

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On Dec 16, 7:08*am, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk



wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Phelps and his house of Zealot lunes?

Poor view of Christianity there....

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:34:41 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:40:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

No.... just a little background.... since it seems you don't get out
much....

Ah, now I understand. Not pertinent, but supports some anti-Christmas
position you have?

Good for you. Hope you're getting some joy from the season.
--

John H

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On 12/16/09 8:37 AM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

You must not get out much, either....

Visit your local:

Jehovah's Witness
Most Church of Christ
Many "Messianic Jews"
Amish
some Mennonites
Many Church of God (all of them, at one time)

Some Seventh Day Adventists... some celebrate Christmas, some don't,
and some celebrate Christmas in months OTHER than Dec.
other Mennonites (celebrate, but "buy nothing Christmas")

Those are the ones that come to mind, now. There are more, I'm
sure....

While you are at it, you could save this list and have the same
conversation about Easter, but that doesn't seem to have developed as
a hot button, yet. Maybe the first merchandiser that offers "Happy
Bunny Day" will create as great a furor as the one offering "Happy
Holidays."

The guy in the office next to me is a Baptist Minister and this link
gives him apoplexy... but I offer it in the Happiest Holiday spirit to
all...... even the grumpy ones.... hope I haven't left anyone out...
http://tinyurl.com/ysyxn8



PS
Rhetorical food for thought:

Did Jesus ever celebrate Christmas? Either way, would he do so, today?



Non-rhetorical response:

Jesus might have celebrated a birthday...then and now...but certainly
not a non-Jewish holiday such as Christmas.

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

Me neither. But Gene has many living right around his house. Do you
reckon he polls the neighbors to see which are Christians, which
prohibit anything to do with Christmas, which don't say "Merry
Christmas", and so on.

Must be hard to get all those questions answered.

--

John H

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In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3
@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.

You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You
are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really,
your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't
understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys
get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:
http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d

Give me a break, Fringe ****?

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In article eb58c01d-8947-4011-a0b6-cd410b9fcbd2
@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 16, 7:08*am, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk



wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Phelps and his house of Zealot lunes?

Poor view of Christianity there....

The Daily Kos told them it was mainstream thinking... This is crazy, I
don't put all liberals with Farrakhan (who has a lot more influence on
society than these guys by the way)...

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In article ,
says...

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:56:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

Me neither. But Gene has many living right around his house. Do you
reckon he polls the neighbors to see which are Christians, which
prohibit anything to do with Christmas, which don't say "Merry
Christmas", and so on.

Must be hard to get all those questions answered.

Nah, it is quite easy. I have in-laws that constantly want to *save*
me with their particular twist on "the way the truth and the light." I
don't have to ask to get questions answered.... you folks

There it is, the "you folks"... Seems it's not "us folks" who are the
problem, it's "your" family. Nobody pushes it around here to my family
of myself, even my dad's Mormon friends. Guess you just need to get some
friends who respect you more... Or like here, maybe you start in on it
and they just finish the conversation??

are usually
pretty "in your face" about what your Lord and God demandeth other
folks shall know and follow.

I have a tree and mistletoe, they don't.... go figure.....

Oh, yeah, I forgot.... some of the Quakers.... locally, the Quaker
college doesn't even have an American flag on campus! But I've got one
of those!

Have a Happy Holiday!

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On 12/16/09 10:22 AM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:56:41 -0500, John
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

Me neither. But Gene has many living right around his house. Do you
reckon he polls the neighbors to see which are Christians, which
prohibit anything to do with Christmas, which don't say "Merry
Christmas", and so on.

Must be hard to get all those questions answered.

Nah, it is quite easy. I have in-laws that constantly want to *save*
me with their particular twist on "the way the truth and the light." I
don't have to ask to get questions answered.... you folks are usually
pretty "in your face" about what your Lord and God demandeth other
folks shall know and follow.

I have a tree and mistletoe, they don't.... go figure.....

You're just hoping you'll get kissed.

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On Dec 16, 10:55*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3
@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.

You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You
are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really,
your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't
understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys *
get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you purport to know about whether or not I'm qualified to
remark on this or any other issue? As a matter of fact, my wife's
first cousin, Fr. Bryan yes, a priest, and also a REAL Dr. of Clinical
Psychology has had numerous discussions with me about this very topic.
Including the pagan aspect, and how the modern way of celebrating has
very little to do with Christianity. Hell, nobody even knows when
Jesus was born. December 25th? In ancient Babylon, the feast of the
Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous
partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 16, 10:55 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3
@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:
Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.
Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....
... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm
Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.
You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You
are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really,
your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't
understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys
get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you purport to know about whether or not I'm qualified to
remark on this or any other issue? As a matter of fact, my wife's
first cousin, Fr. Bryan yes, a priest, and also a REAL Dr. of Clinical
Psychology has had numerous discussions with me about this very topic.
Including the pagan aspect, and how the modern way of celebrating has
very little to do with Christianity. Hell, nobody even knows when
Jesus was born. December 25th? In ancient Babylon, the feast of the
Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous
partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.


And you purport that these are "your" words:

"Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast."

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

To my liberal friends...
 

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

Google - anybody can use it.
A greater equalizer than the Colt .45 here.
Hey Duck, how's the golfing?
Still haven't tried that pizza joint you recommended.
But I will.

--Vic

To my liberal friends...
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

Google - anybody can use it.
A greater equalizer than the Colt .45 here.
Hey Duck, how's the golfing?
Still haven't tried that pizza joint you recommended.
But I will.

--Vic


Golf is great, albeit in some people mind it's a useless waste of time.
I enjoy it, that's good enough for me. Played at 7:30 this morning
and teeing off again in about 90 minutes.

You had to mention pizza. Oh how I long for a Chicago thin crust pie.

To my liberal friends...
 

In article ,
says...

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

Google - anybody can use it.
A greater equalizer than the Colt .45 here.
Hey Duck, how's the golfing?
Still haven't tried that pizza joint you recommended.
But I will.

--Vic


Golf is great, albeit in some people mind it's a useless waste of time.
I enjoy it, that's good enough for me. Played at 7:30 this morning
and teeing off again in about 90 minutes.

You had to mention pizza. Oh how I long for a Chicago thin crust pie.

Ummmm, thin crust, deep dish is the way we make 'em. I bet a 12 inch pie
of ours weighs several pounds. Lot's of meat and veggies. If you can see
the bottom, it's not piled deep enough;)

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 16, 1:53*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 16, 10:55 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3
@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:
Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.
Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....
... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm
Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.
You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You
are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really,
your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't
understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys *
get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you purport to know about whether or not I'm qualified to
remark on this or any other issue? As a matter of fact, my wife's
first cousin, Fr. Bryan yes, a priest, and also a REAL Dr. of Clinical
Psychology has had numerous discussions with me about this very topic.
Including the pagan aspect, and how the modern way of celebrating has
very little to do with Christianity. Hell, nobody even knows when
Jesus was born. December 25th? In ancient Babylon, the feast of the
Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous
partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

And you purport that these are "your" words:

"Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast."

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where in HELL did I say those were my words???????

To my liberal friends...
 

On 12/16/09 2:09 PM, D.Duck wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

Google - anybody can use it.
A greater equalizer than the Colt .45 here.
Hey Duck, how's the golfing?
Still haven't tried that pizza joint you recommended.
But I will.

--Vic


Golf is great, albeit in some people mind it's a useless waste of time.
I enjoy it, that's good enough for me. Played at 7:30 this morning and
teeing off again in about 90 minutes.

You had to mention pizza. Oh how I long for a Chicago thin crust pie.


If you walk the course while playing, instead of riding in a cart, golf
is a great way to get some healthy exercise and even commune with a bit
of nature. Golf courses in places where nature can sustain them easily
are a good thing.

To my liberal friends...
 

On 12/16/09 2:16 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articleeqadnexKoIXzrbTWnZ2dnUVZ_rxi4p2d@giganews. com,
says...

Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, wrote:

Try Googling:

Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were
traditions of this feast.

Google - anybody can use it.
A greater equalizer than the Colt .45 here.
Hey Duck, how's the golfing?
Still haven't tried that pizza joint you recommended.
But I will.

--Vic


Golf is great, albeit in some people mind it's a useless waste of time.
I enjoy it, that's good enough for me. Played at 7:30 this morning
and teeing off again in about 90 minutes.

You had to mention pizza. Oh how I long for a Chicago thin crust pie.

Ummmm, thin crust, deep dish is the way we make 'em. I bet a 12 inch pie
of ours weighs several pounds. Lot's of meat and veggies. If you can see
the bottom, it's not piled deep enough;)


You really eat like a man who does not want to live for very long. I
suppose that from the point of view of society, that is a good thing.

To my liberal friends...
 

On Dec 15, 5:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog.

NO EGGNOG????

C'mon Gene, now thats going as bit too far!!!

I've got about 4 gallons of Praire Farms "Holiday Nog" (no alcohol) in
the freezer now. My son and I occasionally crack open a half gallon
in July, thaw it, shake it, and guzzle it. Just as good as the day it
was made.

Life is too short without egg nog, especially through the summer.