On Dec 5, 10:03*pm, Rob wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
We aren't used to a high of 45! The sun is setting, and it's already
39. Going to get to the 20's tonight. Good thing is that when it gets
that cold here once or so a year, it's clear so it usually doesn't
snow.

Any concerns about your OB motor?

Rob

Nah, it's good to go, but thanks for the reminder!

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:49:31 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:



I've got one of those kerosene wick heaters for my garage. They do a
fantastic job, and also is nice when to power goes out in an ice
storm. I remember when I lived in western NY and had to change a water
pump on a very cold night in the dead of winter. My fingers didn't
have any skin on them because they'd stick to the frozen parts.

Yeah, looks like I'll go with that.
There's a 23k BTU model that should take the chill off the garage.
I really like the idea it can do double duty in the house if the power
goes out. I always worry about that happening, and my pipes freezing.
Even the kitchen stove needs electricity to open the oven gas valve.
You can light the range burners though.
Already decided I don't want a generator.
Dan got me looking, and think I'll get this:
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros.../dp/B000A6D1IC

Maybe 2 of them. Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping
hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner.
The heater John mentioned is electric, and probably won't make a dent
in the garage when it's in the teens or lower, as it often is here.

--Vic

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:12:00 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros...el-CV-2230/dp/
B000A6D1IC

Maybe 2 of them. Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner. The heater John mentioned is
electric, and probably won't make a dent in the garage when it's in the
teens or lower, as it often is here.

Make sure you use K-1 kerosene. It has a lower sulfur content, and your
nose will appreciate the difference.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:04:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


On Dec 5, 4:15 pm, wrote:

We aren't used to a high of 45! The sun is setting, and it's already
39. Going to get to the 20's tonight. Good thing is that when it gets
that cold here once or so a year, it's clear so it usually doesn't
snow.

It was down to about 17 last night here in S. IL. good thing now wind,
and the night was clear.. in a couple days it will be a high of about
40-45 and rain, *UGH!*

I'm thinking about getting a heater for the garage - just to take the
chill off while doing car work.
Any suggestions?
Only have 15 amp going there, and I don't want to beef that up now,
because I could run into trouble - old conduit under a new sidewalk.
Might have to dig the old stuff out if the wires won't pull through.
Running a natural gas line out there for a wall unit will be a big job
too.
I was thinking some kind of gasoline heat exchanger burning outside
with the heat vented to the garage. I'd have to figure out a way to
make a vent in the garage wall or door that wouldn't look too bad.
Probably can't work that out. Cosmetics.
When I did one painting job in an unheated repair garage with my
brother we had a couple gas heaters going. Memory is dim, but they
were salamander looking things, and put out good heat. Problem was we
about died breathing that crap.
Gave you a sore throat right away.
Anyway, I just picked up a water pump and alt for my '93 Grand Am and
have to replace them so I can dump my '90 Corsica, so I was thinking a
heater would be nice.
Used to do stuff like replace a starter on the street, laying on a
piece of cardboard, snow blowing on me, wind howling, etc.
Didn't think twice. Now here I am wanting my garage heated.
Okay, think I'll just dress real heavy in layers, and come in the
house to warm up once in a while. That'll work.
It was good to thrash that out and get it solved.
Thanks guys.

--Vic


Newer kerosene heaters are very good for you application. The
tube-shaped "salamanders" are better suited for more open environments.

Rob

Those Salamander types are good but they need to be used outside. I used
them in my barn for building a couple of times but you had to keep
enough air flow. If you start to feel buzzed or drunk, and you aren't
drinking beer, get out fast. I would start the things and leave the shop
to heat up and shut down the heater before I went in, open a window too.
Then I would go in and do the gluing and let it all cool. You had to
work fast as yo didn't want to reheat the stuff after you lay it down,
it will gas out and make air bubbles...

I would not use a salamander directly in an area I was working at the
time.

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:22:52 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:12:00 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros...el-CV-2230/dp/
B000A6D1IC

Maybe 2 of them. Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner. The heater John mentioned is
electric, and probably won't make a dent in the garage when it's in the
teens or lower, as it often is here.

Make sure you use K-1 kerosene. It has a lower sulfur content, and your
nose will appreciate the difference.

Right. Have to find a kerosene supply now, as I ordered 2 of the
heaters above.
You mentioned propane before, and though it has some advantages,
there's a couple disadvantages. The propane cost as you mentioned,
and noise. Irritates some people. I don't like the gas/flame myself
unless I'm cutting metal.
There is some doubt that they pollute the air less than a well-run
kerosene heater too.
Most of guys who use propane also say you usually get substantially
shorted on bottle refills/swaps.
Here's something else that might be of interest.
Went to the Northern Tool site and shipping is $5 less than Amazon for
1 heater and was $14 less for 2 (and that's with 4 wicks thrown into
the order.)
From now on I'll check the supplier's site before I order from Amazon.
A buck is a buck.
Anyway, the wife was all for it too, as she wants a back-up if the
power goes out.

--Vic

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:12:00 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:49:31 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:



I've got one of those kerosene wick heaters for my garage. They do a
fantastic job, and also is nice when to power goes out in an ice
storm. I remember when I lived in western NY and had to change a water
pump on a very cold night in the dead of winter. My fingers didn't
have any skin on them because they'd stick to the frozen parts.

Yeah, looks like I'll go with that.
There's a 23k BTU model that should take the chill off the garage.
I really like the idea it can do double duty in the house if the power
goes out. I always worry about that happening, and my pipes freezing.
Even the kitchen stove needs electricity to open the oven gas valve.
You can light the range burners though.
Already decided I don't want a generator.
Dan got me looking, and think I'll get this:
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros.../dp/B000A6D1IC

Maybe 2 of them. Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping
hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner.
The heater John mentioned is electric, and probably won't make a dent
in the garage when it's in the teens or lower, as it often is here.

--Vic


Yeah, you're right. It's not going to do much for the whole garage.
Usually, if I'm working in the garage it's on a bench project or the
motorcycle, something where I'll be in the same spot for the most
part. Then it works pretty well.

That heater above looks like a pretty good deal. Decent price anyway.
--

John H

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:48:10 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:22:52 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:12:00 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros...el-CV-2230/dp/
B000A6D1IC

Maybe 2 of them. Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner. The heater John mentioned is
electric, and probably won't make a dent in the garage when it's in the
teens or lower, as it often is here.

Make sure you use K-1 kerosene. It has a lower sulfur content, and your
nose will appreciate the difference.

If you don't have a bulk plant or a gas station that sells K1 by the
gallon in your container, be prepared for sticker shock.
It can easily be $10-15 a gallon in the gallon can if you buy it in a
hardware store.
I suppose just about anything would burn in one of these, maybe even
low VOC paint thinner.
You could always burn diesel, if you want to dream you are Sonny
Pruit.

Don't want anything but K-1 in a wick heater. Some guys burn diesel
in kerosene salamanders though.
Looks like this may be the best, but I'll have to call the store first
and find out more about this "ship to store" and pricing.
About $7 a gallon with tax.
Never saw this kind of deal before.
http://doitbest.com/Paint+thinner+an...487.dib#online

Hope I don't end up moving a couple 5-gal kerosene cans around the
garage to get them "out of the way" for the next 10 years.
Always that chance though.

--Vic

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:25:29 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


Don't want anything but K-1 in a wick heater. Some guys burn diesel in
kerosene salamanders though.

I found a source that seems pretty informative. If you haven't already,
you may want to check it out. Bye the bye, the guy suggests Jet A fuel
is the cleanest.

http://www.milesstair.com/

On Dec 6, 5:12*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:49:31 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker

wrote:

I've got one of those kerosene wick heaters for my garage. They do a
fantastic job, and also is nice when to power goes out in an ice
storm. I remember when I lived in western NY and had to change a water
pump on a very cold night in the dead of winter. My fingers didn't
have any skin on them because they'd stick to the frozen parts.

Yeah, looks like I'll go with that.
There's a 23k BTU model that should take the chill off the garage.
I really like the idea it can do double duty in the house if the power
goes out. *I always worry about that happening, and my pipes freezing.
Even the kitchen stove needs electricity to open the oven gas valve.
You can light the range burners though.
Already decided I don't want a generator.
Dan got me looking, and think I'll get this:http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Keros...-2230/dp/B000A...

Maybe 2 of them. *Want to look locally first to avoid the shipping
hit.
Got plenty of room in the garage for a couple 5-gal cans of kerosene.
BTU-wise kerosene looks like a winner.
The heater John mentioned is electric, and probably won't make a dent
in the garage when it's in the teens or lower, as it often is here.

--Vic

Mine one will make my 22x20 garage very comfortable when it's 30
outside.

Scott Dickson wrote:
On Dec 7, 3:06 am, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:25:29 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:
Don't want anything but K-1 in a wick heater. Some guys burn diesel in
kerosene salamanders though.
I found a source that seems pretty informative. If you haven't already,
you may want to check it out. Bye the bye, the guy suggests Jet A fuel
is the cleanest.

http://www.milesstair.com/

But where do you "just run out and buy" Jet A? I dont think you can.
Jet A is just a higher grade of Kerosene, I believe.


loogy brews it in the still in his backyard. His toothless relatives are
out there right now, stomping on the ingredients to make a mash.