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Community organization is nothing new
Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. |
Community organization is nothing new
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@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Unlike the right wing, who couldn't care less about the common man's community. -- WAFA the newsgroup liar free! |
Community organization is nothing new
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says... In article , says... In article 7f2bfebd-2d12-4b58-9bcf-0fc152158050 @l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Unlike the right wing, who couldn't care less about the common man's community. Oh, I get it. Unhinged is ok if it comes from your side.. Thanks for setting us straight on that... What is unhinged about one statement? -- WAFA the newsgroup liar free! |
Community organization is nothing new
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... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. What purpose do the bible quotes serve? Do they refute his reputation as a leader and organizer? Is this some of that born-again bible interpretation where anything can be construed to support whatever? My questions are rhetorical of course. Your comments are welcome if you're enjoying my rant. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:55:04 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. Erratum: "truest since" should obviously be "truest sense." -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? Like Trotsky or Lenin? Did they organize people around ideas? Oh yeah. Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? Oh yeah. Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? Not organizing around a set of ideas? |
Community organization is nothing new
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Yes, unless it was a Republican who was elected President after having served his community in a way that helped them deal with their daily lives. Then you'd be perfectly happy with the comparison. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler.... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) It's worth noting the ease with which anyone can assert that Jesus was a community organizer as opposed to submitting any scriptural evidence to support the claim. But, you are right, what is crucially important is that Christ died that the individual might be reconciled with God, and that having been done out of a true compassion. And what He endured to ensure that end illustrates that love. I think one of the reasons that I tend to detest any description of Christ as a community organizer, aside from the reason I've stated already, is that it takes away from what Christ was and is. It installs His divinity in a secular compartment, for lack of a better way of putting it. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) Jesus died for your sins. I think he was doing some organizing of sorts. Spreading ideas to modernize the temple. A rabble rouser. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax. com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
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... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:08:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. His message like this? NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!" -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax. com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4a x.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:18:48 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer? Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the syllables to get to the true meaning? Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave? Plonked by most who've known you previously? |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. -- John H |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:41:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the Jewish community. Are you denying this? Christ described accurately. What a laugh. What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true interpretation? He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died. All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple, celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest. Guess what? There was no Easter! The son of God but god himself! Virgin birth! Walked on water! Turned water into wine? Oh no, that wasn't him. He cured leprosy and came back from the dead. It's true, it's true! He sure as hell wasn't a Teutonic blonde. What picture do you have of him in your house? I'm sure the depiction is equal to your "official" understanding of him. Yikes. |
Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message
... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:41:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:582cg5ho1559jvhse30dd13lg7e7i6ru86@4ax. com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4a x.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the Jewish community. Are you denying this? Christ described accurately. What a laugh. What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true interpretation? He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died. All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple, celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest. Guess what? There was no Easter! I could never quite get a handle on Easter... even as a child. I asked my mom .. why do eggs come out of a bunny? Now I wonder why we have little children run around looking for them. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H
wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:01:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:41:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:582cg5ho1559jvhse30dd13lg7e7i6ru86@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg @4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the Jewish community. Are you denying this? Christ described accurately. What a laugh. What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true interpretation? He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died. All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple, celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest. Guess what? There was no Easter! I could never quite get a handle on Easter... even as a child. I asked my mom .. why do eggs come out of a bunny? Now I wonder why we have little children run around looking for them. Bait and switch. By the time you start feeling embarassed to hunt for eggs, you've been indoctrinated and have a strange feeling that Easter is a wonderful holiday... Never too old for chocolate eggs. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:37:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:38:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:08:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. His message like this? NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!" As I said... out of context. You're starting to sound silly. If you don't like Jesus' message, why not just say so. You don't seem to know what His message is. And I'm certain that you are unable to articulate what the context of Mark 9:19 is. I'm sure you're able to tell us. In any case, this has nothing to do with the vitriol from the right. Or, maybe it does. Hopefully you're not ready to venture into the ignoble domain of the circumstantial ad hominem. Few go there and return to the land of reason. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:09:30 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:18:48 -0600, "Candy Man" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:582cg5ho1559jvhse30dd13lg7e7i6ru86@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg @4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer? Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the syllables to get to the true meaning? Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave? Plonked by most who've known you previously? Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too. Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that you've been schooled. You're living a fantasy with the insurance salesman. Do you really think it's that important to prove Jesus was a community organizer to a serial deflector who'll skirt every communication that doesn't suit his argument? Are you another of the sour grapes dweebs who cannot stand our President compared to Jesus? Ever hear the story about the bible quoting contest in Mississippi where the runner up went to the winner's house and shot him to death? Why are you posting as a sock puppet? Didn't like the first time I plonked you for being a fool? |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Candy Man" wrote in message ... Your like Zeitgeist lite but even more uninformed and manic about it. Like wow. I'm so unimpressed. Maybe he'll look up zeitgeist prior to using it next time. If I represent the zeitgeist, the conservative cause is going down the tubes with their pseudo morals and ethics. From his lips to God's ears. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:37:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:38:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:08:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. His message like this? NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!" As I said... out of context. You're starting to sound silly. If you don't like Jesus' message, why not just say so. You don't seem to know what His message is. And I'm certain that you are unable to articulate what the context of Mark 9:19 is. I'm sure you're able to tell us. In any case, this has nothing to do with the vitriol from the right. Or, maybe it does. Oh Golly, several things come to mind. Fanatic. Pat Robertson. American Taliban. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:09:30 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:18:48 -0600, "Candy Man" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:582cg5ho1559jvhse30dd13lg7e7i6ru86@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg @4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer? Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the syllables to get to the true meaning? Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave? Plonked by most who've known you previously? Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too. Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that you've been schooled. The left-wing modus operandi. -- John H |
Community organization is nothing new
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:09:30 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:18:48 -0600, "Candy Man" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:582cg5ho1559jvhse30dd13lg7e7i6ru86@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg @4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer? Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the syllables to get to the true meaning? Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave? Plonked by most who've known you previously? Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too. Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that you've been schooled. There isn't much point in taking him to task. He's quick to make charges of diversion; but, he's been caught using an array of informal fallacies, begging the question, the strawman, the ignoratio elenchi, the ad hominem, ad infinitum (that not being one, of course). It's a never ending tailspin, and it always comes back to his antagonist. One can only hope that eventually he'll see the wisdom in an honest discourse. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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