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Community organization is nothing new
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:15:52 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote: On Nov 22, 11:10*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:09:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:acleg5llsbu995202eamdrvqmscvqnn5nj@4ax. com... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13v ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. *There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. * This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. *In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. *This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. *What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. *Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. *If anything, he served as a contrary example. *If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. *They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. *This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service * * *-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." Sounds like early Christianity to me. Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. *Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use community organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the organizing he was a part of. You have a good day today, Em. You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community organizing message, I'm assuming you agree with it. -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to comprehend his reason. I like that logic: Anyone who doesn't respond to a statement of d'plum's automatically agrees with said statement. Damn, you can't fault logic like that. WAFJ! -- John H |
Community organization is nothing new
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Nov 22, 11:10 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:09:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:acleg5llsbu995202eamdrvqmscvqnn5nj@4ax. com... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13v ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." Sounds like early Christianity to me. Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use community organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the organizing he was a part of. You have a good day today, Em. You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community organizing message, I'm assuming you agree with it. -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to comprehend his reason. No he didn't. I think it's an embarassment for people who actually think, yet still kowtow to the right. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Community organization is nothing new
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Nov 22, 3:57*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 11:10 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:09:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:acleg5llsbu995202eamdrvqmscvqnn5nj@4ax. com... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13v ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." Sounds like early Christianity to me. Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use community organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the organizing he was a part of. You have a good day today, Em. You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community organizing message, I'm assuming you agree with it. -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to comprehend his reason. No he didn't. I think it's an embarassment for people who actually think, yet still kowtow to the right. -- Nom=de=Plume So you're opinion and for their credabilities sake, D'Plume, is that the educated should only "kowtow" to the left? And of whom do you feel embarassed for? The left, for letting the educated escape their clutches? Or the right, for actually admitting the educated into their realm? |
Community organization is nothing new
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Nov 22, 3:57 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 11:10 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:09:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:acleg5llsbu995202eamdrvqmscvqnn5nj@4ax. com... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13v ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." Sounds like early Christianity to me. Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use community organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the organizing he was a part of. You have a good day today, Em. You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community organizing message, I'm assuming you agree with it. -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to comprehend his reason. No he didn't. I think it's an embarassment for people who actually think, yet still kowtow to the right. -- Nom=de=Plume So you're opinion and for their credabilities sake, D'Plume, is that the educated should only "kowtow" to the left? Absolutely not! No one should be subservient to intelligent thought and rational thinking. And of whom do you feel embarassed for? The left, for letting the educated escape their clutches? Or the right, for actually admitting the educated into their realm? If only the right actually admitted the educated and responsible (I add that because many on the right are educated, at least somewhat, but they seem to be subservient. I feel embarassed for the US. A prime example, during the Republican primary process where a bunch of guys on stage said that they didn't believe in evolution. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:24:05 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 3:57 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 11:10 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:09:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:acleg5llsbu995202eamdrvqmscvqnn5nj@4ax. com... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@ 4ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13v ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward antagonist, though; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases. As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere. Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article; "Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community building," community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns." Sounds like early Christianity to me. Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use community organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the organizing he was a part of. You have a good day today, Em. You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community organizing message, I'm assuming you agree with it. -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to comprehend his reason. No he didn't. I think it's an embarassment for people who actually think, yet still kowtow to the right. -- Nom=de=Plume So you're opinion and for their credabilities sake, D'Plume, is that the educated should only "kowtow" to the left? Absolutely not! No one should be subservient to intelligent thought and rational thinking. And of whom do you feel embarassed for? The left, for letting the educated escape their clutches? Or the right, for actually admitting the educated into their realm? If only the right actually admitted the educated and responsible (I add that because many on the right are educated, at least somewhat, but they seem to be subservient. I feel embarassed for the US. A prime example, during the Republican primary process where a bunch of guys on stage said that they didn't believe in evolution. Never have I observed disdain for education like what was on display during the last presidential election cycle. I thought Republicans were going to discover the teachings of Pol Pot weren't so bad afterall. Joe the Plumber. Sarah Palin. There was a consistent undercurrent of disregard and hatred for the educated population and it wasn't coming from Democrats. The insurance salesman will next attempt to back up Virginia Foxx's claim that Republicans were responsible for the great society movement of the 60s, without so much as a wisp of help from Democrats. Where do these people get their information? Do they print this crap somewhere or is it all word of mouth? |
Community organization is nothing new
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." |
Community organization is nothing new
OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." Small price to pay if your goal is to be the ranking flaming asshole of rec.boats. |
Community organization is nothing new
achmed wrote:
OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." Small price to pay if your goal is to be the ranking flaming asshole of rec.boats. How true How true |
Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message
... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On 11/23/09 2:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Are you claiming the "Indoctrination for Dummies" book I sent you was...useless? -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:04 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/23/09 2:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Are you claiming the "Indoctrination for Dummies" book I sent you was...useless? Hey, what the deal? You sent her a copy and I'm what, chopped liver? |
Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:04 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/23/09 2:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Are you claiming the "Indoctrination for Dummies" book I sent you was...useless? Hey, what the deal? You sent her a copy and I'm what, chopped liver? Not sure why he would send me such a book. I'm not a dummy! :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :) -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:43:03 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :) Hey, if the Norse can give him the Nobel, I'm sure there's a synagogue out there willing to offer honorary Jewishhood. He'd have to be circumcised, of course. Unlike Jesus, he'd have the benefit of an anesthetic. |
Community organization is nothing new
"H the K" wrote in message
... On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :) One of the lost tribes? -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message
... On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:43:03 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :) Hey, if the Norse can give him the Nobel, I'm sure there's a synagogue out there willing to offer honorary Jewishhood. He'd have to be circumcised, of course. Unlike Jesus, he'd have the benefit of an anesthetic. He and McCain are Jewish... duhh... http://behrns.wordpress.com/2008/07/...ma-warren-god/ -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On 11/23/09 4:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:43:03 -0500, H the wrote: On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church. Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly all corners of the Roman empire. I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman. As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs. I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community organizer in the modern sense, but he was. It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And, from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel. The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win an argument, an artful response to your common sense. In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new religion. Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man. Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him. That's the claim... There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief. Very few of them are provable. Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination. Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government. Absolutely. Sorry if I agree. :) OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along." That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology? :) Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for agreeing with another social liberal in public! Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama. Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to turn the desert to glass? Same thing. How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :) Hey, if the Norse can give him the Nobel, I'm sure there's a synagogue out there willing to offer honorary Jewishhood. He'd have to be circumcised, of course. Unlike Jesus, he'd have the benefit of an anesthetic. Oi! -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
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