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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:55 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

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Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.

And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt
civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)

I haven't done that in a long time.

If only I had more time to read! It seems I have to spend most of my
time earning a living...

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