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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

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Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than
they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You?

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Nom=de=Plume


The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the
union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash,
there is no way the car companies can succeed.

Ford's success...
 

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:33:25 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol


Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution.

I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold it
all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you never
get burned taking a profit.

This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The
volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and
currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at
cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up.

We're all happy you made out ok.

Maybe he could make a fortune in currency trading like George Soros.
Unlike Soros however, he'd still lack a conscience.

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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay


Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume


They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.

Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than
they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You?

--
Nom=de=Plume


The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the
union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the
crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed.

Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate. Looks like
Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better. Chrysler I think is on
the way out completely.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer
excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It
takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place,
then the union members will feel better about consessions.

They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and
dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them.
Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard
workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land
right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They
are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who
just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest.

-S


I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's
not going to happen any time soon.

As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the
terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out
will work?

Kid, you're making things too complicated.
Lock out the unions. Let the workers in to work if they so desire. If
the workers think the unions deserve compensation, they can always
contiue to pay their membership fees.

Ford's success...
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

Ford's success...
 

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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than
they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?

Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You?

Are you trying to tell us you don't know?

Ford's success...
 

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nom=de=plume wrote:

Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a
better word, is unpatriotic.

That's the essence of your political belief system.

The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world
America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief.
Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first.

Ford's success...
 

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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay

Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than
they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut?
Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You?

--
Nom=de=Plume


The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the
union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash,
there is no way the car companies can succeed.


She runs around here singing her "I'm so smart. I'm so pretty" song. How
can we believe it when she utters such dumb nonsense. It's time we gave
her the boot.

Ford's success...
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.

" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.

Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."

The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""

http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent products that people want to buy?

--
Nom=de=Plume

They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled
laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the
market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate.
It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in
place, then the union members will feel better about consessions.

There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off.


Absolutely. They can. In the past, many companies have done that. There are,
of course, consequences.

I thought the union thugs weren't breaking bones and burying bodies
anymore.

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...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing
decent
products that people want to buy?
lol lol
Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership
has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout
money.
Wonderful!

Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the
management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for
management's success. Freakin' union leeches.
I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars
or
is that done by the workers?

Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right
behind Chicago politics.
It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's
assume
it is. Does that excuse management greed?

What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard
working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for
the cause?

-S


I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's
really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it.