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....will last until the union or the government figures out a way to
stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.’s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker’s third-quarter profit was “evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made.”" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? That is just looney talk. Do you want Ford to go the route of Government Motors? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol That's a silly response John...even by your standards. |
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On Nov 3, 5:40*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John H. wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs. -S |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. -S |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S |
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"Stevie" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs. -S I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate that with the unions. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S Ask the "chief" union guy around here. |
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On Nov 3, 8:19*pm, Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message .... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John *wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" *wrote: *wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. *Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. *Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? *Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? Given your average pay cheque is now subsidising GM, Obama Government Motors, people don't have as much money for vehicles. Ford should simply say this is the wage and benefits, screw the union, decertify or we will move elsewhere. Close a plant not making money this month just as a warning and example. And if big mouth BO opens his trap, ask him publically if he wants the jobs ot BS? Ford should be looking at moving offshore permanently anyway. Liberalism, politics, corruption, unions and BS in America isn't going to end soon. China is going to economically walk right over USA manufacturing that doesn't get it's crap in order PDQ. Just heard China has a 431 mph Maglev super train, 7 minutes and 20 seconds for 30 miles at a billion dollars. And they are expanding. A single car can move 20 tons. Makes US rail look like neandrathals in the mud. Now it Obama corruption and bailout spending, combined with middle east war went to American made super trains at $1B per mile, hell, you could easily have a super train from NY city to LA! It would even employ Americans to build it! But oh no, American bull**** politics has better ideas with its debt spend. Amazing how few politicians are doing anything to stop the decline of the US. Yet so many are pushing right for it. |
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Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? That is just looney talk. Do you want Ford to go the route of Government Motors? How many trillions can the governmetn debt-spend before the US economy looks like Iceland or Zimbabwe? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? |
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Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia markets to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA. Dump Ford USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more. |
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Jack wrote:
On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John H. wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. Don't forget the Harvard insiders. GM, Chrylser and Obama are all from Harvard. And you wonder why SOX is up Wagoner for the bad GM financials. Corporate corruption has a lot to do with this also. Tell me a CEO like Wagoner cared? Cared about $12M year, treated like a prince, and $20 pension -- for golf and execu-jeting. $12 CEO pays for a lot of labour and materials. Most companies don't get the value return. Many of these idiots can't even read! |
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Stevie wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? They were all greedy and killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Even now, they lay it on non-auto businesses and people to pay for it. And like dumb little sheep they still will vote Democrat/Obama. Because they are too stupid to know better. |
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Jack wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. Just like politicians and business people making back room deals. But did Wagoner see the wrath of SOX? Nope, had connections. Did anyone go to jail for $100++ billion of GM bailout and fraud? Nope, not a one. Did congres/senators go after Bush and Obama for misappropriation of TARP for auto? Hell no, they quiety supported it. Problem here is the honest smuck keeps getting in the arse and the sociopath ego maniac crooked types make it to the top, be it a business, union or government. And people passively sit by and watch it happen. Do nothing. Many like that fat lady with no brains, "Obama will pay for my gas and mortgage..." typifies the bottom up problem in America. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold it all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you never get burned taking a profit. This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs. -S I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate that with the unions. Or just don't negotiate. Say this is how it is, take it or leave it. No contract until the equity is twice that of debt. Want to argue? Which plant are your from? Lockout and shut it down. If Obama calls, tell big mouh to hire them himself. |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:52:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. This is as positive as it gets for JohnH. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs. -S I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate that with the unions. There's another option. I think you know what it is. **** the unions. They have pretty much destroyed manufacturing in America. They may have fulfilled a need in the past but now they are just excess baggage. And every American has to pay in one way or another. |
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says... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized screwdriver? -- Wafa free again. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... Jim wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? That is just looney talk. Do you want Ford to go the route of Government Motors? How many trillions can the governmetn debt-spend before the US economy looks like Iceland or Zimbabwe? No idea. Would you like to give us a number? I'll forward it to Geitner for you. lol -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Stevie" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. -S I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's not going to happen any time soon. As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out will work? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. I am with you on the unions, but don't forget management. Move the corporate offices to China or tax friendly offshore. Have USA as a seperate company. Hire a crack ace CEO from China for 1/10th the price and works 10 times smarter and 10 times harder. Develop the Asia markets to be good enough they can close up manufacturing in the USA. Dump Ford USA into Obama's lap and say it isn't our problem any more. Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. Absolutely. They can. In the past, many companies have done that. There are, of course, consequences. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Stevie" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free to email Fitzgerald. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold it all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you never get burned taking a profit. This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up. We're all happy you made out ok. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Stevie" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? They *work* for management. Without the company there are no jobs. -S I agree. And, Ford is doing ok, even with the current contract. If management wants something more from the unions, then they need to negotiate that with the unions. Or just don't negotiate. Say this is how it is, take it or leave it. No contract until the equity is twice that of debt. Want to argue? Which plant are your from? Lockout and shut it down. If Obama calls, tell big mouh to hire them himself. Certainly an option. I believe this has been done previously. It didn't turn out that well for the company, but what the hey, those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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