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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed. |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:33:25 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. I did. When I knew GM was going under I bought Ford @2 to $2.25, sold it all at $6.50 for a nice ROI. Ok, I lost out, it went to $7 but you never get burned taking a profit. This is a spectacular money making opportunity of a lifetime. The volitility, amazing. Must thank the Lib-Dims for the massive bank and currency debt and keeping the ponzi scheme going. But now, looking at cashing out of USA. The big currency drop is ramping up. We're all happy you made out ok. Maybe he could make a fortune in currency trading like George Soros. Unlike Soros however, he'd still lack a conscience. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed. Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate. Looks like Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better. Chrysler I think is on the way out completely. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. -S I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's not going to happen any time soon. As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out will work? Kid, you're making things too complicated. Lock out the unions. Let the workers in to work if they so desire. If the workers think the unions deserve compensation, they can always contiue to pay their membership fees. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? Are you trying to tell us you don't know? |
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says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed. She runs around here singing her "I'm so smart. I'm so pretty" song. How can we believe it when she utters such dumb nonsense. It's time we gave her the boot. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. Absolutely. They can. In the past, many companies have done that. There are, of course, consequences. I thought the union thugs weren't breaking bones and burying bodies anymore. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it. |
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In article ,
says... Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it. Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor. |
Ford's success... (and the flushing of Em)
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free to email Fitzgerald. Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will be joining you shortly. |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor. It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you? |
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On 11/3/09 11:17 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized screwdriver? This from a guy who couldn't hang onto a job pushing a broom and mucking out horse stalls? |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:52:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Perhaps you should stop lolling about and make a positive contribution. I started the thread. lol |
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"BAR" wrote in message
. .. In article , says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we claim to be. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"BAR" wrote in message
. .. In article , says... Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it. Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor. Ok, then why do they exist? They shouldn't, yet they do.... wait for it... because of poor management. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"thunder" wrote in message
t... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:22:58 -0500, BAR wrote: Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor. It's an assembly line. How do you work harder than the guy next to you? You screw up the entire line? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message . .. In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we claim to be. BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club. |
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"Tosk" wrote in message
... In article , says... In article , says... Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. You have no idea what you are talking about. Admit it. Union labor strives for mediocraty. There is not motivation for working harder or better than the guy next to you. You both get paid the same regardless of the quality and quantity of your labor. And if you work too hard, you are dragged into the bathroom and "spoken" to.. -- Wafa free again. I was a union member. I worked hard. My fellow worker just gave me the advice... pace yourself, it's a long day. After a month, I saw his point, because I was exhausted. I (we) still did a good job. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Ford's success... (and the flushing of Em)
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:30:39 -0500, Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free to email Fitzgerald. Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will be joining you shortly. This from the asshole who changes his name every ten minutes. He'll be butt sniffing within hours. |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:42:25 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/3/09 11:17 PM, Tosk wrote: In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. They should... Why do guys get 75 dollars an hour to run a computerized screwdriver? This from a guy who couldn't hang onto a job pushing a broom and mucking out horse stalls? If you're going to lie, why not lie big? The guys with computerized screwdrivers are making $350/hr. $75/hr. is likely the fully burdened cost including depreciation of the computerized screwdriver, the assembly line, health insurance, pension, FICA, Medicare, SUI, toilet paper in the rest rooms, electricity for the lighting, etc. |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message . .. In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we claim to be. BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club. FlaToeJam is the welcoming committee Herring is in charge of Incloosion Illoosion Jackoff heads up sheets and hats The Freak is equipment manager Tim provides counsel to the baptised Insurance reseller resells insurance to anyone willing to buy |
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On 11/4/09 2:22 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0500, H the wrote: On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message . .. In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we claim to be. BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club. FlaToeJam is the welcoming committee Herring is in charge of Incloosion Illoosion Jackoff heads up sheets and hats The Freak is equipment manager Tim provides counsel to the baptised Insurance reseller resells insurance to anyone willing to buy What a line-up! |
Ford's success... (and the flushing of Em)
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:30:39 -0500, Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. Reply: In the real world, if discovered, it should be prosecuted. Feel free to email Fitzgerald. Your idealism is admirable. But your naiveté is telling of your youth and lack of real world experiences. Come back and play againwhen you mature and grow up. Until then, it is my solemn duty, honor, and obligation to flush you down the toilet. Bye now. And be sure to say hello to JPS and slammer when you arrive at your destination. Harry will be joining you shortly. It will save you from reading a lot of ****. |
Ford's success...
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:46:11 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/4/09 2:22 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0500, H the wrote: On 11/4/09 11:05 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message . .. In , says... nom=de=plume wrote: Sure thing. No need for an America-first attitude. Greed, for lack of a better word, is unpatriotic. That's the essence of your political belief system. The next time there is a natural disaster somewhere in the third world America shouldn't be first with relief, we should be last with relief. Let the rest of the world step up and help the people in need first. Why? With great power comes great responsibility, assuming we are who we claim to be. BAR is co-chair here of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" club. FlaToeJam is the welcoming committee Herring is in charge of Incloosion Illoosion Jackoff heads up sheets and hats The Freak is equipment manager Tim provides counsel to the baptised Insurance reseller resells insurance to anyone willing to buy What a line-up! Palin-approved! Forgot DK as the dedicated Teabagger |
Ford's success...
Jack wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:19 pm, wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message .... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? Of course not. They'll run a company into the ground, all the while trumpeting that they are "collective bargaining" for the employees. They've done it many times, while, as you say, they earn their impressive salaries from the sweat of their indentured workers. In the real world, "collective bargaining" is called coercion, or "strong-arm tactics". It's illegal. But largely unenforceable. -S |
Ford's success...
Canuck57 wrote:
Stevie wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? They were all greedy and killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Even now, they lay it on non-auto businesses and people to pay for it. And like dumb little sheep they still will vote Democrat/Obama. Because they are too stupid to know better. True. -S |
Ford's success...
Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. There's another option. Ford can tell the unions to **** off. If it were only that simple... -S |
Ford's success...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. -S I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's not going to happen any time soon. As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out will work? In a democratic society of people who can think for themselves, the negotiation process typically takes place as a one-on-one interview - not a wholesale demand for a pay increase without regard for individual performance. In that case, the slackers win and the motivated lose. -S |
Ford's success...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed. Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate. Looks like Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better. Chrysler I think is on the way out completely. -- Nom=de=Plume The artificial market rate. **** Poor management is the reason for those egregious contracts. American car companies at the time had 80 or 90% of the world market. Why worry about fiscal responsibility when you could pass on the cost and produce crappy cars. Now the real market rate is maybe 25% of the negotiated rate. My daughter bought a used Hyundai station wagon a couple years ago. 100k warrantee, good car, 70% the price of a comparable American car. Buy American? Not when it comes with a 42% premium. For a car with less warrantee. |
Ford's success...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? It should be the open market. Not back-room negotiating by union thugs who suck money from their members. -S |
Ford's success...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:59:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? lol lol Ford is producing America's best vehicles. Their corporate leadership has put them into a strong position, not having to take any bailout money. Wonderful! Funny how the union thugs always blame a struggling company on the management, but in this case, the union wants to take credit for management's success. Freakin' union leeches. I thought Ford wasn't struggling? Does the management team build the cars or is that done by the workers? Union management is the most corrupt entity in big business... right behind Chicago politics. It has been in the past. Don't know if union management is now. Let's assume it is. Does that excuse management greed? What about the greed of the union organizers who rely on the dues of hard working people for their income? Do you really think they are in it for the cause? -S I'm unsure. Probably some are for the cause, some are for the money. That's really beside the point. It's still a negotiation that has to take place. It doesn't *have* to take place. Trust me. I've talked to enough union employees to know that the hard working hate it and the slackers love it. -S |
Ford's success...
"Stevie" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. They should be at-will employees, each accountable for their hard work and dedication to the product they make and the company that employs them. Union crap like seniority, and other entitlements, only penalize the hard workers. The payroll and overhead of the union organizers would land right into the pockets of the workers if they had any self respect. They are ****ing away millions in dues in order for some to be slackers who just happened to be on the job a few years earlier than the rest. -S I agree. They should be, but since management was so bad for so long, that's not going to happen any time soon. As is the normal practice, they can and should attempt to renegotiate the terms. You do believe in negotiation don't you? Or, do you think a lock out will work? In a democratic society of people who can think for themselves, the negotiation process typically takes place as a one-on-one interview - not a wholesale demand for a pay increase without regard for individual performance. In that case, the slackers win and the motivated lose. -S So, you're saying that each individual worker should negotiate with management about health, safety, employment practices, benefits, etc.? Talk about bringing a company to a standstill.... As with the rest of our country, the union members elected their leadership for better or worse. This is called a representative democracy. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Ford's success...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... ...will last until the union or the government figures out a way to stop it. " Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized work force as it tries to cut costs further. Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the United Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of labor concessions that would have roughly matched concessions that workers at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring." The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice president in charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that the carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the contributions that Ford workers have made."" http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay Why should they cave to demands from management? How about producing decent products that people want to buy? -- Nom=de=Plume They are decent products. But if you are paying some low skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is priced out of the market. Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If there's good management in place, then the union members will feel better about consessions. -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a lug nut? Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines this? You? -- Nom=de=Plume The market place. Not the union strong arming the company. Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40 years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can succeed. Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate. Looks like Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better. Chrysler I think is on the way out completely. -- Nom=de=Plume The artificial market rate. **** Poor management is the reason for those egregious contracts. American car companies at the time had 80 or 90% of the world market. Why worry about fiscal responsibility when you could pass on the cost and produce crappy cars. Now the real market rate is maybe 25% of the negotiated rate. My daughter bought a used Hyundai station wagon a couple years ago. 100k warrantee, good car, 70% the price of a comparable American car. Buy American? Not when it comes with a 42% premium. For a car with less warrantee. Please show us the data for the "real" market rate. Yes. ****-poor management. I agree. Thus, unions came into being. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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