Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney
jailed.

Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in
Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the Italians
put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able to leave
this country.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/


They've already been told not to do that... along with Rumsfeld.

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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:21:27 -0500, BAR wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want
Cheney jailed.

Well, if he had any part of our renditions, he won't be vacationing in
Italy, but then, neither will 23 other Americans. Hell, if the
Italians put in for international warrants, those agents won't be able
to leave this country.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ition.verdict/

Renditions? Isn't that a program that Bill Clinton started?

Nope, Reagan actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawaz_Yunis




Bummer about facts isn't it...

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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will
be
the only thing he will be doing.


Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the
AG
decides
to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts.

If they actually go after a former vice president for policy
decisions
made in office, the whole country will get bogged down.
Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of
the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both
sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The
court
fight over that could take years.

And the payback will be the next administration will go after the
last
if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box.

If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be
prosecuted. No one is above the law.

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He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is
going
to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an
investigation every party change.

Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted.

I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against
this country.

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No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes
that
every leftist states.

That would require backing up the talking point, it just won't happen,
she will not list any crimes, only more talking points..

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"Tosk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will be
the only thing he will be doing.


Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG
decides
to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts.

If they actually go after a former vice president for policy decisions
made in office, the whole country will get bogged down.
Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of
the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both
sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The court
fight over that could take years.

And the payback will be the next administration will go after the last if
a
different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box.

Nope, Bush didn't go after Clinton, it's not the repub way.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the republicans are not willing to let out
classified info just to make politics as usual, criminal...

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That's true. Bush's cronies went after Clinton while he was still in office.

Unfortunately, you're being delusional if you think that people like Cheney
didn't leak classified information for their own purposes.

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:37:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No. We should go after him for criminal behavior. He's a criminal by his
own
words.

That would require evidence and in a criminal trial the defendant has
the ability to subpoena just about anything to aid his defense


Yes, and your point? He needs to be charged first. The evidence doesn't
necessarily have to be in open court. There are many instances of closed
sessions when national security issues are at stake. Typically, the judge
decides, which is what s/he is paid to do.


These things don't really get to court until all the discovery motions
are handled and you know Cheney would subpoena things the government
won't give him.
That is one reason it is hard to prosecute former administration
members for policy decisions. They know where all the bodies are
buried and some of them have opposition party arrows in their back.
Obama might pardon him, just to get his agenda back on track.
He really does not need the distraction of a partisan witch hunt when
his programs are stalled in congress.


It was not and should not be about "policy" decisions. Torture is torture is
NOT a policy decision.

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:47:39 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get
it?

It was a private conference call between a few participants not a
PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy
If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk
about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the
internet?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes! If people are stupid enough to think that a phone call is secure,
that's their problem.


So what is all the uproar about NSA then?
You can't have it both ways.
At least nobody ever said NASA was tapping your phone and making the
transcripts public.

Personally I never considered phones secure. I saw transcripts of my
phone conversations when I was a teenager ... from an illegal RFK/DoJ
tap.


If they can get a warrant, then they should be able to tap anyone's phone.
The FISA court will and has issued warrants after the fact of the tap.

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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that will
be
the only thing he will be doing.


Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the AG
decides
to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts.

If they actually go after a former vice president for policy
decisions
made in office, the whole country will get bogged down.
Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out of
the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both
sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The
court
fight over that could take years.

And the payback will be the next administration will go after the
last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's Box.

If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be
prosecuted. No one is above the law.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is
going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be an
investigation every party change.

Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted.

I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against
this country.

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Nom=de=Plume


No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes
that every leftist states.

Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them
that'll satisfy you.

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I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney
jailed.


I hope you're starting to see through the vaporous nomdeplum.
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Liberal = Bad

I agree. John H

Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:16:58 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:02:27 -0500, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

BTW where was the outrage when democratic operatives were bugging Newt
Gingrich's cell phone?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Cite?
Were you in a cave in 1996 or just in denial.

Try "Martin" "Gingrich" "Cell phone"

I notice the Huffington report has taken down their article (where
Ariana was shocked) as has the DoJ

Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get it?


It was a private conference call between a few participants not a
PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy
If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk
about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the
internet?

Maybe real liberals consider any conference call subject to monitoring
by Democrats.

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Loogy says:

Conservative = Good
Liberal = Bad

I agree. John H

Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:00:29 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:12:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If Obama gets bogged down in some Cheney investigation, that
will
be
the only thing he will be doing.


Certainly true... I don't think Obama will get bogged down if the
AG
decides
to proceed. We need to hold everyone accountable for their acts.

If they actually go after a former vice president for policy
decisions
made in office, the whole country will get bogged down.
Cheney will probably be dead of old age before they ever get out
of
the discovery phase of his trial. There will be requests from both
sides for documents the government does not want to provide. The
court
fight over that could take years.

And the payback will be the next administration will go after the
last if a different party. May not want to open that Pandora's
Box.

If Obama should commit a criminal act while in office, he should be
prosecuted. No one is above the law.

--
Nom=de=Plume


He will be impeached if a criminal act. What did Cheney do that is
going to get him jail time? The Pandora's Box will be there will be
an
investigation every party change.

Yes impeached or after he leaves office, prosecuted.

I'll leave you to your own research to look up Cheney's crimes against
this country.

--
Nom=de=Plume


No, you tell me his crimes. Google will give me all the pseudo crimes
that every leftist states.

Sorry. If you can't figure it out, there's no list I can provide of them
that'll satisfy you.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I guess your list is the same as all the other hopefuls that want Cheney
jailed.


I hope you're starting to see through the vaporous nomdeplum.


Is that what happens when you look in the mirror?

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Barack Obama's Idea of 'Government Transparency' Would Make Dick Cheney Proud
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:16:58 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:02:27 -0500, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

BTW where was the outrage when democratic operatives were bugging Newt
Gingrich's cell phone?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Cite?
Were you in a cave in 1996 or just in denial.

Try "Martin" "Gingrich" "Cell phone"

I notice the Huffington report has taken down their article (where
Ariana was shocked) as has the DoJ

Once again. There was NO "bugging". IT WAS A CONFERENCE CALL.......get it?


It was a private conference call between a few participants not a
PUBLIC conference call. They han an expectation of privacy
If you set up a conference call between several family members to talk
about a private issue, would you think it was OK if it showed on the
internet?

Maybe real liberals consider any conference call subject to monitoring
by Democrats.

Knock it off, they are from the "DNC" and they are here to help...


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