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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:28:59 -0400, Tosk
wrote:

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 28, 8:22 pm, elder wrote:

The writer is obviously trying to fool everybody. He knows that this
Legislation sets a nasty portent of things to come. It is toehold
legislation to silence dissent to the prostelizing of the perverted
lifestyle, to our young and to force their way into decent society.
How long before we forced to endure San Francisco style sickening
show
of perversion down our main streets?- Hide quoted text -

i agree; christianity is a perverted lifestyle. the legislation is
modeled on current federal law which makes hate crimes based on
religion illegal...

couldn't have said it better. hopefully those goddamn christians will
keep to themselves...
Am I bothering you?
Anybody with a moral core and who believes in self accountability
bothers folks like him...
There's some irony in this in that these folks want to impose their
inchoate moral agenda on the populous in the passing of legislation
that squelches speech that may be offensive or intolerant, by their
definition, and they balk at any legislation, past, present, future,
that imposes juridically a judeo-christian ethos. It's a convenient
dynamic for these folks such that subscribing to their inchoate moral
code, they don't have to subject themselves to any pangs of conscience
that is an inherent quality of a judeo-christian code. No pangs of
conscience, no problem with their double-standard.


I think you're forgetting all the lying that went on in the name of
Christian morals that happened during Bush's watch. Not to mention his own
lack of judgement, which is a moral issue in my view, not to mention the
supposed Christians that are Blackwater. We've been imposed upon enough from
them to last a lifetime.

OMG You are Krause.

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:44:41 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On June 7, in Texas, three white men chained an African American
named
James Byrd to a pickup truck and dragged him to his death;
Actually there were two, and one got the death penalty. I don't think
they have killed him yet.
And, on November 10th Virginia is going give a leathl injection to a
home grown Islamic terrorist by the name of John Mohammad.

There will be two things to celebrate on November 10th the birgh of my
beloved Marine Corps and the Death of the DC Sniper.

"No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for
whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

It's uncanny how closely how much you resemble Harry. Even the frequent
plagiarizing.
Don't want to say I told you so, but....


Yeah, don't worry. Apparently, the quote marks are too difficult to decifer.

I know what quote marks mean. I also know you left out credits. I also
know you are a smart ass little bitch. Decipher this. (please note
correct spelling of decipher)

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:



I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.

A pal from the company I retired from called today.
Major insurance company doing all domestic business.
May have mentioned that I retired at 59 1/2 because the sight of them
flying my American flag made me want to puke, so it was best that I
go.
More layoffs. Been going on since late last year.
Solid middle class jobs. IT.
But company manpower isn't decreasing.
The jobs are being offshored to India.
My friend is documenting his job activities for the same.
Obama's watch.
This morning I heard Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC's "Morning Meeting"
discussing what a low life Geithner is, and how it was he who insisted
on the taxpayer paying a dollar on a dollar to purchase the corrupt
and financially defunct Wall Street firms in the bailout.
Obama'a boy.
Maybe you've noticed some discussion of a woman being called a
K-Street whore by Florida Dem congressman Grayson.
She is, of course, and furthermore she was an Enron lobbyist.
Obama's girl.
Some here might not know that Grayson, an actual trained economist,
was castigated by Obama's whore - she works for Bernacke - because
Grayson supports a Rep initiated bill to audit the Fed.
That little detail hardly matters to some.
BTW, a couple days ago I saw Dylan interviewing Dem who was pushing a
bill to exclude smaller Wall Street from audits.
He cut that Dem a new asshole.
Then we have ole Joe Leiberman, Evan Bayh, et al.
Those two both have wives employed by major health insurance
companies.
I'm starting to think we may end up with taxpayers heavily subsidizing
health insurance companies in the new health legislation.
And continuing escalation of premiums and loss of health insurance and
resulting medical bankruptcies for middle class Americans.
Of course the fat lady is yet to sing.
And the people have yet to really howl.
The corruption of government is stunning.
Both sides of the aisle.
I do think the Dems beat the Reps in integrity about 2-1.
Unfortunately, it's still too similar to deciding between the Crips
and the Bloods.

--Vic

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On 10/29/09 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400, H the
wrote:

On 10/29/09 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:46:29 -0400, H the
wrote:

So, you don't understand "it seems to me that a person who champions
causes to benefit the lower classes, e.g. health care reform, would
demonstrate a genuine empathy for the lower classes instead of the
condescension he marshalls in assigning insult to being lower class."

I can translate, if that's necessary.


Save your translations for justhate. Your "writing" is utterly
transparent to me. I told you, I used to teach bonehead English, and
your overwrought crap would have qualified you for that class.

And your consistently deflecting the points at issue are transparent
to everyone else. You and I both know what the issue is...


- - -

I have stated any number of times here that I don't believe those on the
right have any points worth considering. The right has pretty much
destroyed this country and everything good for which it once stood, and
it wants to continue doing so. I've commented several times on your
overwrought prose.

As far as an issue goes, there is none in Scott Ingersoll. He is an
utterly useless piece of right-wing ****, someone who sucks on the
taxpayer teat, has no redeeming social value, and is an irresponsible
parent. I don't view him as a "representative" of the lower class or, in
fact, of any class. To me, he's nothing more than a piece of ****
floating on a sea of ****.

I hope that is clear enough for you. I could always rewrite it in your
(lack of) style, of course, but obscurity is not my aspiration.

And where do you stand exactly in the class struggle, Harry? You
inarguably have made it quite clear that you deem it to be an insult
to be cast with the lower classes. What style of progressivism do you
subscribe to, Harry? One of elitism?



You apparently are not a careful reader.

I assume we are not discussing Marxism here.

I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.

Well said.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:03:09 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:



I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.

A pal from the company I retired from called today.
Major insurance company doing all domestic business.
May have mentioned that I retired at 59 1/2 because the sight of them
flying my American flag made me want to puke, so it was best that I
go.
More layoffs. Been going on since late last year.
Solid middle class jobs. IT.
But company manpower isn't decreasing.
The jobs are being offshored to India.
My friend is documenting his job activities for the same.
Obama's watch.
This morning I heard Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC's "Morning Meeting"
discussing what a low life Geithner is, and how it was he who insisted
on the taxpayer paying a dollar on a dollar to purchase the corrupt
and financially defunct Wall Street firms in the bailout.
Obama'a boy.
Maybe you've noticed some discussion of a woman being called a
K-Street whore by Florida Dem congressman Grayson.
She is, of course, and furthermore she was an Enron lobbyist.
Obama's girl.
Some here might not know that Grayson, an actual trained economist,
was castigated by Obama's whore - she works for Bernacke - because
Grayson supports a Rep initiated bill to audit the Fed.
That little detail hardly matters to some.
BTW, a couple days ago I saw Dylan interviewing Dem who was pushing a
bill to exclude smaller Wall Street from audits.
He cut that Dem a new asshole.
Then we have ole Joe Leiberman, Evan Bayh, et al.
Those two both have wives employed by major health insurance
companies.
I'm starting to think we may end up with taxpayers heavily subsidizing
health insurance companies in the new health legislation.
And continuing escalation of premiums and loss of health insurance and
resulting medical bankruptcies for middle class Americans.
Of course the fat lady is yet to sing.
And the people have yet to really howl.
The corruption of government is stunning.
Both sides of the aisle.
I do think the Dems beat the Reps in integrity about 2-1.
Unfortunately, it's still too similar to deciding between the Crips
and the Bloods.

--Vic

Agreed.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

snipped for posterity

And where do you stand exactly in the class struggle, Harry? You
inarguably have made it quite clear that you deem it to be an insult
to be cast with the lower classes. What style of progressivism do you
subscribe to, Harry? One of elitism?



You apparently are not a careful reader.

I assume we are not discussing Marxism here.

I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.


This is really rather depressing. If there is an attitude that can
subdue the spirit of individuality and a charter that denies the
individual the mobility to do with his life as he pleases, this screed
embodies it. What was once a burgeoning optimism in the youth of a
foundling nation in whose design lay the seminal notion of the
empowerment of the individual, there is now a gloomy surrender to the
premise that the individual must subordinate his potential to the
state, for the good of the state and the security of all. The
pretense of a duty to the state by the individual for the common good
is nothing more than a perfidious ploy to bridal any passion for
individuality and personal responsibility. The extended hand of the
collective is the hand that robs the individual, and it serves as a
cruel metaphor for the villiany of unbounded aspirations. It is an
unwarranted disdain for the successes of the inspired individual that
drives this pernicious philosophy, a comportment that disguises itself
as dutiful compassion. Fortunately, that 'compassion' has been
exposed in this thread for what it is - envy, superciliousness,
condescending patronage, contempt, and hate. Describing one's loyalty
to the middle class does not palliate a personal loathing of the less
fortunate, and it does not elevate the world of insults that defines
you.

Bye now.

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:30:28 -0500, wrote:

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The extended hand of the
collective is the hand that robs the individual, and it serves as a
cruel metaphor for the villiany of unbounded aspirations.

Lets make that "The extended hand of the collective is the hand that
robs the individual, and it serves as a cruel metaphor for villiany
against unbounded aspirations."

(It's like leaving the house knowing that you've forgotten something.)

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wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

snipped for posterity
And where do you stand exactly in the class struggle, Harry? You
inarguably have made it quite clear that you deem it to be an insult
to be cast with the lower classes. What style of progressivism do you
subscribe to, Harry? One of elitism?


You apparently are not a careful reader.

I assume we are not discussing Marxism here.

I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.


This is really rather depressing. If there is an attitude that can
subdue the spirit of individuality and a charter that denies the
individual the mobility to do with his life as he pleases, this screed
embodies it. What was once a burgeoning optimism in the youth of a
foundling nation in whose design lay the seminal notion of the
empowerment of the individual, there is now a gloomy surrender to the
premise that the individual must subordinate his potential to the
state, for the good of the state and the security of all. The
pretense of a duty to the state by the individual for the common good
is nothing more than a perfidious ploy to bridal any passion for
individuality and personal responsibility. The extended hand of the
collective is the hand that robs the individual, and it serves as a
cruel metaphor for the villiany of unbounded aspirations. It is an
unwarranted disdain for the successes of the inspired individual that
drives this pernicious philosophy, a comportment that disguises itself
as dutiful compassion. Fortunately, that 'compassion' has been
exposed in this thread for what it is - envy, superciliousness,
condescending patronage, contempt, and hate. Describing one's loyalty
to the middle class does not palliate a personal loathing of the less
fortunate, and it does not elevate the world of insults that defines
you.

Bye now.

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Harry is a master of the English language. I'm sure he is going to give
you a bad mark, just as soon as he looks up a few words. Lol

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:38 -0400, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

snipped for posterity
And where do you stand exactly in the class struggle, Harry? You
inarguably have made it quite clear that you deem it to be an insult
to be cast with the lower classes. What style of progressivism do you
subscribe to, Harry? One of elitism?


You apparently are not a careful reader.

I assume we are not discussing Marxism here.

I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.


This is really rather depressing. If there is an attitude that can
subdue the spirit of individuality and a charter that denies the
individual the mobility to do with his life as he pleases, this screed
embodies it. What was once a burgeoning optimism in the youth of a
foundling nation in whose design lay the seminal notion of the
empowerment of the individual, there is now a gloomy surrender to the
premise that the individual must subordinate his potential to the
state, for the good of the state and the security of all. The
pretense of a duty to the state by the individual for the common good
is nothing more than a perfidious ploy to bridal any passion for
individuality and personal responsibility. The extended hand of the
collective is the hand that robs the individual, and it serves as a
cruel metaphor for the villiany of unbounded aspirations. It is an
unwarranted disdain for the successes of the inspired individual that
drives this pernicious philosophy, a comportment that disguises itself
as dutiful compassion. Fortunately, that 'compassion' has been
exposed in this thread for what it is - envy, superciliousness,
condescending patronage, contempt, and hate. Describing one's loyalty
to the middle class does not palliate a personal loathing of the less
fortunate, and it does not elevate the world of insults that defines
you.

Bye now.

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Harry is a master of the English language. I'm sure he is going to give
you a bad mark, just as soon as he looks up a few words. Lol

I'm beginning to suspect as much. Truth be told, George Orwell would
undoubtedly 'excoriate' me for my weighty prose, were he around. The
good rule is to 'eschew obfuscation.' But, I'm having just way too
much fun with this :)

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:30:28 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:00:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

snipped for posterity

And where do you stand exactly in the class struggle, Harry? You
inarguably have made it quite clear that you deem it to be an insult
to be cast with the lower classes. What style of progressivism do you
subscribe to, Harry? One of elitism?



You apparently are not a careful reader.

I assume we are not discussing Marxism here.

I stand "exactly" with the middle class, with those who are trying to
maintain their standing in it, and with those who are trying to achieve
it. I believe in extending a hand to those in the lower socioeconomic
classes who are *working* to achieve "middleclassdom." That "hand"
should include a way to pay for decent, readily available health care
insurance/coverage for themselves and their families, good public
schools, safety on the job, job retraining if they need it, et cetera.

I believe this country rises or falls on the success of the middle
class. I don't believe a right-wing financial oligarchy serves this
country. I believe that economic policy should promote expansion of the
middle class.


This is really rather depressing. If there is an attitude that can
subdue the spirit of individuality and a charter that denies the
individual the mobility to do with his life as he pleases, this screed
embodies it. What was once a burgeoning optimism in the youth of a
foundling nation in whose design lay the seminal notion of the
empowerment of the individual, there is now a gloomy surrender to the
premise that the individual must subordinate his potential to the
state, for the good of the state and the security of all. The
pretense of a duty to the state by the individual for the common good
is nothing more than a perfidious ploy to bridal any passion for
individuality and personal responsibility. The extended hand of the
collective is the hand that robs the individual, and it serves as a
cruel metaphor for the villiany of unbounded aspirations. It is an
unwarranted disdain for the successes of the inspired individual that
drives this pernicious philosophy, a comportment that disguises itself
as dutiful compassion. Fortunately, that 'compassion' has been
exposed in this thread for what it is - envy, superciliousness,
condescending patronage, contempt, and hate. Describing one's loyalty
to the middle class does not palliate a personal loathing of the less
fortunate, and it does not elevate the world of insults that defines
you.

Bye now.

You are a very confused soul. It's as if you assume you owe nothing
whatsoever to your fellow citizen or the system that allows your
individualism, creativity, livelihood or freedom.

You paint this duty to your nation as a burden that will flatten your
soul. What a crock of ****.

Try growing up black in a city that doesn't welcome your race. Then
let's talk about how you've been undermined by a tilted field.

You poor, white, Christian. You're so put upon.

Maybe you should go to Australia. No, probably not. They don't like
pussies down under.