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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:33:35 -0700, jps wrote:


These are bandaids for a seriously broken system.
Tort
reform
could
help the situation but it's going to require it's
own
process.
Tort reform is a red herring. There are enough
states
that
have
passed
tort reform to get a good idea whether it will work
or
not.
Medical
malpractice costs are too small a percentage,
roughly
1-1
1/2%,
to
affect
health care costs dramatically. There have also
been
many
studies
that
note the tort reform savings do not "trickle down"
to
the
consumer.
The fact is, there have been several great
suggestions
and
dozens of
admendments/bills introduced that would provide
bipartisan
to
the
bill
and each and every one has been rejected out of
hand.
Obama
clearly
promised sunshine on the process but so far all we
have
seen
is
Chris
Dodd's door in Washington and the democrats hiding
behind
it.
Just
like
Monday when Obama spent 2 1/2 hours with the MSM
plotting
an
agenda.
More time by the way than he has spent with his
commanders
in
Afghanistan... I don't hate Obama, just want to see
him
take
his
finger
out of the wind and be a president.
Nope, that's not true. Both houses have listened to
and
included
many
Rep.
amendments. Look it up.
Went through this with someone here about two months
ago..
You
are
wrong, period..
Prove it.
Trust me, I am not known for fabrication here... I am
not
much
for
going
over hundreds of posts from the past...
Or, you could just cite some sources that back up your
assertion...
that
would save you going over hundreds of posts.
Not so fond of searching youtube either.. I have a bunch
of
pics
to
post
for some folks I was photographing at the track today...
But if
I
get
time I will.. While you have time however, you can show me
cites
of
bills or amendments the Dems haven't squashed...

Five seconds worth of google search, including typing:
republican
amendments to health care bill (no quotes).

http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/0...lth-care-bill/
From Slate:

That said, some context: Of the 788 amendments filed, 67
came
from
Democrats and 721 from Republicans. (That disparity drew
jeers
that
Republicans were trying to slow things down. Another
explanation
may
be
that they offered so many so they could later claim-as they
are
now,
in
fact, claiming-that most of their suggestions went
unheeded.)
Only
197
amendments were passed in the end-36 from Democrats and 161
from
Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate
Republicans
classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical.

I hope this helps!

It sure does. It shows that democrats in congress, buy and
large,
are
complacent on the issue and probably haven't even read it.
They
will
rubber stamp anything that is sent to them by king obama.
Even
obama
doesn't really give a **** as long as the bill has his name
on
top.


It shows that neither of you can support your own arguments.

What argument? Arguing with you would be like arguing with a
box
of
rocks.


Then, why do you keep trying? What's dumber than a box of rocks?

A pen name?


Like Tosk?

Uh no.. Tosk is the name I have given to my computer.


A made up name... like a pen name. Got it.

lol

Tosk is not a made up name, Tosk is real...;) Just ask Tom LOL...


It's made up or it's an Albanian dialect. You pick.

You didn't specify nose or butt. He requires instruction.


I'm hoping he'll pick the most effective one.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On 10/24/09 12:16 PM, Don White wrote:
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I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.


Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?

I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.




herring deserves our thanks for participating in a war in a way that
caused us to lose it.

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I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.

Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?

I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.


You don't need to be led by the nose anymore. You're a big boy now.

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:51:29 -0400, Tosk wrote:


After all, how can a for profit org compete with a public
funded not for profit?
Huh? I thought "privatization" was the cost cutting mantra of
the
Right. You know, how a lean mean corporation was more
efficient than a
bloated government agency. So, does this mean that if we
eliminate
private health insurance companies, and go with a single payer
public
option, our health cost would go down? Damn, you're turning
into a
Liberal.
Not really, look at the success record of govt "not for profit"
organizations. I would rather pay for something that works, than
pay
double for something that doesn't.
Yup. Medicare and the VA don't work. Bummer.
Well, I guess it depends on who is in office at the time. When it
was
Bush they sure didn't, that is if you listen to the chattering
class.
Now miraculously a 10% unemployment rate is a recovery...
You really need to review the facts about the VA, for example,
before you make statements like this. Check out the person who's in
charge of the VA.

There is a technical recovery in process. Jobs are still a problem
and will continue to be for quite a while. What's your point?

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Nom=de=Plume

Where is the recovery? The lead in the Dow rise is financials.
And they are going up because of the huge amounts of money the Fed
is tossing at them. The job outlook is bad, the retail outlook is
bad, as those 20%+ without a job are not spending. The housing
sales increase, but the price decreased, and the $8k gift from the
Fed just accelerated the purchases and seems as if they are looking
at $500 million if fraud with the program. Look for the Dow to pull
back 10-15% shortly. Put stops on your stocks.
Look it up. It's been all over the news. So far, you haven't said
anything revealing about the recovery or lack thereof.

The recovery hasn't started yet. And it won't until REAL jobs are
created and REAL workers have money to spend on REAL goods and
services, which of course will be provided by REAL people doing REAL
work. The way your party is handling the situation is UNREAL. You
should be ashamed of yourself for supporting The king and his court in
their underhanded activities.
You should be ashamed of your intellectual dishonestly.

http://www.recovery.gov


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Nom=de=Plume

Actually it is you with the intellectual dishonesty. The government
spent tons of money in the wrong place for one thing. Sent it to their
cronies on Wall Street. Want a better recovery, put 50% of that money
spent in to SBA loans. And not spend the other 50%. Let Goldmansackus
and the other "investment" banks fail. The recovery act has not created
jobs. Other than a few paving and infrastucture jobs that needed to be
done anyway. When that paving job is done. Where is the next job for
the worker. Govenment does not creat wealth by borrowing and spending.
Except that this would have caused an amazing about of pain for average
people. This is the classic Milton Freedman, Chicago School of Economics
philosophy that sounds really good but doesn't work, as shown by various
examples in recent decades.

While the gov't doesn't create wealth by borrowing and spending, it does
create jobs, the perfect example being just prior to WW2. The
unemployment rate was something like 25%. The FDR got things going and
prior to WW2, it was down to 10%. Not perfect, but it was in the right
direction. Then the gov't spent an insane amount of money to fund the
war. What followed was one of the best growth periods in a long time.

The jobless rate is currently very bad, but the rate of losses per month
is headed in the right direction. The absolute percentage will likely
keep rising over the next year or so, but businesses are starting to
hire, and this trend should continue. Thus, the technical recession is
over, according to most economists, but that doesn't mean it feels good
right now.

Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

You won't burst many bubbles with that manure you are slinging, sweetie.


Burst yours didn't I.

No you didn't. You sure do have a big head. lol lol

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:36:31 -0400, Jim wrote:


Burst yours didn't I.

No you didn't. You sure do have a big head. lol lol

It's not easy to burst stone. If you plonk him, he'll change his name
every day. Best policy is to ignore.

Take a lesson from a real big-headed woman. Just say no.

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On 10/24/09 1:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:57:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Where is the recovery? The lead in the Dow rise is financials. And they
are going up because of the huge amounts of money the Fed is tossing at
them. The job outlook is bad, the retail outlook is bad, as those 20%+
without a job are not spending. The housing sales increase, but the price
decreased, and the $8k gift from the Fed just accelerated the purchases
and seems as if they are looking at $500 million if fraud with the
program. Look for the Dow to pull back 10-15% shortly. Put stops on your
stocks.

Look it up. It's been all over the news. So far, you haven't said anything
revealing about the recovery or lack thereof.

I think what he is saying is we are having a stock market rally, not
any real reconvey that has trickled down to the average worker. If
this is a "double dip" as many suggest, you should be locking in these
gains and be ready to buy the stocks back when the "recovery" starts
over next year.
The recovery in jobs is still a ways off, really looking for something
for these people to do for a living.


Employment is a trailing indicator.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:01:18 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:28:18 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:29:07 -0400, wrote:

I agree that if someone changes insurance, they should get a break on
pre-esisting conditions (perhaps bringing some money along from the
company they have been paying into) but if this is someone who made
the conscious choice NOT to buy insurance, then they get sick and
suddenly want it ... fkm. You spun the wheel and took your chances.
Sell all of that "stuff" you needed more than insurance.

Let's assume for a minute that your subject was working for Walmart or
some other outfit making $10/hr and had to chose between a deduction
for health insurance or having enough money for food and rent?

**** 'em?

That sounds more like a problem getting affordable health care than an
"insurance" problem.

The insurance companies and the health care providers are all tied up
together. The high rates providers charge for their service is no
different than the Patco air traffic controllers that Reagan snuffed
out, except instead of a union the providers have lobbyists buying off
Congress.
Why should the insurance companies fight for lower health costs when
they can just up the premiums?
Besides, they get a good cut of the premium.
Now that system is falling apart. Tough ****.
Medicare reimbursement rates for all providers wouldn't lead to
reduction in the quality of health care, but more competition in
providing it. Still lots and lots of money there to go after.
It's just another commie-type industry, protected by the state.
The gov can set Medicare rates so the docs don't go to the poor house,
and toss all the defrauders in jail.
That's how it should be done. Good luck.

If the health care itself costs more than you make I am not sure what
to say except we need to find a cheaper way of providing the care. The
bookie really doesn.t change that

Sure does. The gov gets provider costs down with Medicare.
It's not funded and policed like it should be, but they pay less for
the same.
Let's call it bargaining power.
None of my bookies would bargain with me, no matter how much they
wanted my business.

--Vic

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:13:55 -0400, wrote:



That is true but on a double dip recession it trails the second up.
I think we have a more fundamental problem. It is not just that all
those factories are sitting idle, they were dismantled and moved to
Mexico. We used the housing boom to hide the fact that there really is
not that much we actually do here.
For most of the Bush administration anyone who could hold a paintbrush
or swing a hammer had a job, good at it or not.
Unemployment in SW Florida was about 3% overall and less than half a
percent in anyone who claimed any building skills at all. That would
also include a lot of back office type folks who worked in the
construction offices, suppliers and government building departments.
With the factories gone and construction at a standstill I am not sure
where the recovery jobs are going to come from.
Housing inventory in some places is something like a two or three year
supply, built and unsold. Commercial is not in much better shape.

Maybe they should just tear down a bunch of the foreclosure houses,
particularly ones that are not code conforming (wind, earthquake or
flood depending on your area)

My idea that we should have condemned the whole underwater part of New
Orleans, barged in 15-20 feet of dirt and rebuilt it to FEMA specs is
not looking so dumb now huh? It would be a fraction of the $1.2
trillion we are spending on these bailout plans and provided a lot
more jobs than fixing a few bridges.

Sounds like a good plan.
Agree on the jobs being sent offshore.
We were dead and didn't know it. (though I must say I did (-:)
Zombies propelled by debt and mythical money in real estate and Wall
Street equities.
Hard times ahead for many.

--Vic

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:16:10 -0300, "Don White"
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I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.


Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?

I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.


Don, it's nice of you to call me that, but I'm no longer entitled to
that. Now it would be LTC Ret.

It's really not fair to the LTC's doing the work, if you know what I
mean.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:16:10 -0300, "Don White"
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:59:23 -0300, "Don White"
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I had to flush The Freak and Looney Tunes also.
Too bad...I had hoped we could beat some sense into them, but they've been
taken over by the dark side.
I stay on the Lt Colonels case because he's the one guy who should know
better.... unless they sell commissions in the US Army these days.


Hi Don.

Are you ready to stop with the immature name-calling and personal
insults yet?

It would improve the atmosphere, no?

I'm watching your lead..Lt Colonel.


I'm trying to get you to follow your own lead, not someone else's.