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wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy
to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least
I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't
do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the
"Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should
have made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he
would have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support.
I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they could
spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future spending,
which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So much extra
cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before now, and
lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of extra money was a
permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an ongoing
disaster, and was a European problem. Did not concern us. Somalia.
He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested. Black Hawk down
was a disaster because of no heavy armor. Why didn't Clinton authorize
gays in the military, instead of pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton.
Make a ruling. Just like Truman ruled the military was desegregated.
Make the ruling. As to gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok
in the UK and some other European countries. Clinton was extremely
lucky on the financial front. It was already starting to crash, before
the election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election
claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked at
the overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a
lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on the
healthcare. Those who think they should have free healthcare. Same
ones who thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put gas in the
tank. Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell
the country we need health care, and we will take a year or two and get
it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15
minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the justice Department to
prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered
short sales on Wall Street, and force them to return all profits and
10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae
and Freddie Mac officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus.
He is listening the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that
way. He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as
hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond
to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free
country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy
to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the
"Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should
have made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he
would have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before
now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of extra
money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an
ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not concern us.
Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested. Black
Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor. Why didn't
Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of pushing under the
rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like Truman ruled the
military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to gays destroying the
military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some other European
countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the financial front. It was
already starting to crash, before the election. And Gore accelerated
the meltdown with his election claims. Clinton should have fired
Greenspan or at least had looked at the overheated market. But
Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack
is listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those who think they
should have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going to
pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many problems just
now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we need health
care, and we will take a year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000
page bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it
and vote. Direct the justice Department to prosecute any body who
was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall
Street, and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive damages.
Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening
the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not
stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond
to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free
country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.
Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?
This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy
to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.
What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the
"Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should
have made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he
would have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before
now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of extra
money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an
ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not concern us.
Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested. Black
Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor. Why didn't
Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of pushing under the
rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like Truman ruled the
military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to gays destroying the
military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some other European
countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the financial front. It was
already starting to crash, before the election. And Gore accelerated
the meltdown with his election claims. Clinton should have fired
Greenspan or at least had looked at the overheated market. But
Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack
is listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those who think they
should have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going to
pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many problems just
now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we need health
care, and we will take a year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000
page bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it
and vote. Direct the justice Department to prosecute any body who
was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall
Street, and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive damages.
Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening
the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not
stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.


You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond
to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free
country (expecting another rant any second.....).

He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.

Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

I'll be damned if you don't sound just like the maggot Krause. lol lol

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn
the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should
have made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and
he would have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years
before now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of
extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster.
Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not
concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were
requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor.
Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of pushing
under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like Truman ruled
the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to gays
destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some other
European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the financial
front. It was already starting to crash, before the election. And
Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election claims. Clinton
should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked at the overheated
market. But Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of
knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on the healthcare.
Those who think they should have free healthcare. Same ones who
thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank.
Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the
country we need health care, and we will take a year or two and get
it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to read, or have
15 minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the justice Department to
prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered
short sales on Wall Street, and force them to return all profits and
10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing
bonus. He is listening the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership
that way. He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is
naive as hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond
to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free
country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that
he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class at
the local JC.

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wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be
Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to
be in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did
not hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to
learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of
popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll
says people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton
should have made the hard decisions instead of the popular
decisions and he would have gone in to the books as one of the
great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's
following? Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that
70ish % of the population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years
before now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of
extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster.
Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not
concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were
requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor.
Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of
pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like
Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to
gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some
other European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the
financial front. It was already starting to crash, before the
election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election
claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked
at the overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was
lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on
the healthcare. Those who think they should have free healthcare.
Same ones who thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put gas
in the tank. Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man
Up. Tell the country we need health care, and we will take a year
or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to
read, or have 15 minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the
justice Department to prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked
Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall Street, and force them to
return all profits and 10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's
buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac officials, not give
them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening the polls
(slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not stupid, he
is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to
respond to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's
a free country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that
he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class at
the local JC.



Wow. You are such a smart person!

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be
Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.
Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to
be in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?
This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.
What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did
not hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to
learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of
popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll
says people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton
should have made the hard decisions instead of the popular
decisions and he would have gone in to the books as one of the
great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's
following? Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that
70ish % of the population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years
before now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of
extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster.
Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not
concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were
requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor.
Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of
pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like
Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to
gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some
other European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the
financial front. It was already starting to crash, before the
election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election
claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked
at the overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was
lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on
the healthcare. Those who think they should have free healthcare.
Same ones who thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put gas
in the tank. Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man
Up. Tell the country we need health care, and we will take a year
or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to
read, or have 15 minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the
justice Department to prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked
Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall Street, and force them to
return all profits and 10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's
buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac officials, not give
them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening the polls
(slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not stupid, he
is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.


You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to
respond to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's
a free country (expecting another rant any second.....).

He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that
he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.

Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.
Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class at
the local JC.



Wow. You are such a smart person!

Hey Bill. This coming from the smart and pretty, outspoken, slightly
overweight, Iclandic goddess with mousy brown hair down to her
shoulders, you should be flattered.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be
Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.
Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to
be in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?
This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do
the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.
What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did
not hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to
learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of
popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll
says people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton
should have made the hard decisions instead of the popular
decisions and he would have gone in to the books as one of the
great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's
following? Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that
70ish % of the population supports? Yup, he's following the
polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down.
The dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than
they could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to
future spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with
California. So much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the
last 8 years before now, and lots of that money was committed as
if the gobs of extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and
is a disaster. Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European
problem. Did not concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks,
etc that were requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of
no heavy armor. Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military,
instead of pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling.
Just like Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the
ruling. As to gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in
the UK and some other European countries. Clinton was extremely
lucky on the financial front. It was already starting to crash,
before the election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his
election claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least
had looked at the overheated market. But Clintons choice of
advisors was lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to
some polls on the healthcare. Those who think they should have
free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going to pay their
mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many problems just now to
tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we need health care,
and we will take a year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page
bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it
and vote. Direct the justice Department to prosecute any body
who was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on
Wall Street, and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive
damages. Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus.
He is listening the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership
that way. He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is
naive as hell.


You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to
respond to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want.
It's a free country (expecting another rant any second.....).

He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain
that he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.

Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch
of nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.
Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a
writing class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class
at the local JC.



Wow. You are such a smart person!

Hey Bill. This coming from the smart and pretty, outspoken, slightly
overweight, Iclandic goddess with mousy brown hair down to her shoulders,
you should be flattered.


Funny and fairly accurate except about the "slightly overweight" and "mousy
brown hair" goddess. I'm not overweight and my hair is black (well, mostly).

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be
Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to
be in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did
not hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to
learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of
popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll
says people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton
should have made the hard decisions instead of the popular
decisions and he would have gone in to the books as one of the
great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's
following? Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that
70ish % of the population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years
before now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of
extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster.
Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not
concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were
requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor.
Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of
pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like
Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to
gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some
other European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the
financial front. It was already starting to crash, before the
election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election
claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked
at the overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was
lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on
the healthcare. Those who think they should have free healthcare.
Same ones who thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put gas
in the tank. Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man
Up. Tell the country we need health care, and we will take a year
or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to
read, or have 15 minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the
justice Department to prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked
Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall Street, and force them to
return all profits and 10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's
buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac officials, not give
them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening the polls
(slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not stupid, he
is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to
respond to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's
a free country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that
he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class at
the local JC.



Wow. You are such a smart person!

Finally said something truthful. lol lol

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be
Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to
be in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is
easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did
not hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to
learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of
popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll
says people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton
should have made the hard decisions instead of the popular
decisions and he would have gone in to the books as one of the
great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's
following? Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that
70ish % of the population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see..
Bosnia, Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a
surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
--
Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down.
The dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than
they could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to
future spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with
California. So much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the
last 8 years before now, and lots of that money was committed as if
the gobs of extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is
a disaster. Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem.
Did not concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that
were requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy
armor. Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead
of pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like
Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to
gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some
other European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the
financial front. It was already starting to crash, before the
election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election
claims. Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked
at the overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was
lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on
the healthcare. Those who think they should have free healthcare.
Same ones who thought he was going to pay their mortgage and put
gas in the tank. Too many problems just now to tackle healthcare.
Man Up. Tell the country we need health care, and we will take a
year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is
allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it and vote.
Direct the justice Department to prosecute any body who was in
charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall Street,
and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive damages.
Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is
listening the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that way.
He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as
hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to
respond to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's
a free country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that
he didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch
of nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Is a test of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class
at the local JC.



Wow. You are such a smart person!

--
Nom=de=Plume


Yes I am.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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*Is a test* of your reading comprehension. Maybe you should take a class
at the local JC.


Ah ha! Giving yourself away Swill... re "Is a test"