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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy
to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least
I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't
do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

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There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the
"Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

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He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have
made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would
have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support.
I guess he was just following the polls.
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He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they could
spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future spending,
which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So much extra
cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before now, and
lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of extra money was a
permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an ongoing
disaster, and was a European problem. Did not concern us. Somalia. He
refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested. Black Hawk down was a
disaster because of no heavy armor. Why didn't Clinton authorize gays
in the military, instead of pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make
a ruling. Just like Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make
the ruling. As to gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in
the UK and some other European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky
on the financial front. It was already starting to crash, before the
election. And Gore accelerated the meltdown with his election claims.
Clinton should have fired Greenspan or at least had looked at the
overheated market. But Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of
knowledge. Barrack is listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those
who think they should have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he
was going to pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many
problems just now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we
need health care, and we will take a year or two and get it correct.
Not a 1000 page bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to
look at it and vote. Direct the justice Department to prosecute any
body who was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall
Street, and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive damages.
Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening
the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not
stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.

You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond to
without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free country
(expecting another rant any second.....).

He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed you.

Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

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