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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any
kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference,
nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and
takes
action.
Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't
think
it
was
Obama.

I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it
used
in this context.

George W. Bush did.

'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that
means
we
should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do
that,
then you liberals will say, "We lost".

And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able.
Keep
trying
the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument
merit.

We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it?

I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick
to
say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war.


Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple
statement
of fact, there's not much else I can add.

No one that I know says "the military" lost the war in Vietnam. The
war in Vietnam wasn't winnable, just like in Afghanistan.

I guess you've really never met Harry, so you 'could' say you don't
know him. He's said it multiple times, and you've never mentioned a
differing opinion.

The United States did lose the war in Vietnam.

Bull****. The US cut and run.

?? I think you need to make your complaint to Richard M. Nixon for
that
one.
We lost. Nixon ended the war, and we would have lost even more of our
soldiers if we would have stayed... for no reason whatsoever.

What's the definition of losing? Do you fight 'til the last man, 'til
the last bomb, plane, ship?

What's the difference between cutting and running and losing?

Maybe we just haven't parsed the terms to their essence?


We should never have
been there in the first place, just like Iraq.

We had a good reason to be in Iraq.

?? Really? What was the reason? WMDs? Saddam was training jihadists?

He had a Winnebago, some balsa wood drones and a lot of oil.

Plus, he slandered our CIC's daddy.

We should have attacked Afghanistan with schools and hospitals.
We'd
have won that war already.


Agreed, and we should have built the schools and hospitals as soon
as
the Russians left.

We funded the bin laden crowd to get the Russians to leave. So, your
statement makes no sense.

That would be par for his course.


I was thinking A Hole in one. Sorry, bad pun.

Maybe the A-hole but never the one. His index is 23, which means on
his best day he'd shoot 1.5 strokes over par each hole. That means
his game is nearly as excruciating to him as he is to us.

That's beyond duffer. Doofus perhaps. He'd be a good twosome with
Disney's Goofy. Would probably get along very well with Walt as well.


I don't know much about golf, unless you're talking minature golf. lol

All you need to know is that it likely frustrates the **** out of
Herring. At least you know he's getting his.


He seems to be loling about now...

lol lol lol

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These lengthy, he said she said, posts certainly present a good case for
top posting.


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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of
any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in
either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the
difference,
nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and
takes
action.
Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't
think
it
was
Obama.
I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it
used
in this context.
George W. Bush did.

'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that
means
we
should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do
that,
then you liberals will say, "We lost".
And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able.
Keep
trying
the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument
merit.
We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it?

I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick
to
say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war.

Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple
statement
of fact, there's not much else I can add.
No one that I know says "the military" lost the war in Vietnam. The
war in Vietnam wasn't winnable, just like in Afghanistan.

I guess you've really never met Harry, so you 'could' say you don't
know him. He's said it multiple times, and you've never mentioned a
differing opinion.

The United States did lose the war in Vietnam.
Bull****. The US cut and run.
?? I think you need to make your complaint to Richard M. Nixon for
that
one.
We lost. Nixon ended the war, and we would have lost even more of our
soldiers if we would have stayed... for no reason whatsoever.
What's the definition of losing? Do you fight 'til the last man, 'til
the last bomb, plane, ship?

What's the difference between cutting and running and losing?

Maybe we just haven't parsed the terms to their essence?


We should never have
been there in the first place, just like Iraq.
We had a good reason to be in Iraq.
?? Really? What was the reason? WMDs? Saddam was training jihadists?
He had a Winnebago, some balsa wood drones and a lot of oil.

Plus, he slandered our CIC's daddy.

We should have attacked Afghanistan with schools and hospitals.
We'd
have won that war already.

Agreed, and we should have built the schools and hospitals as soon
as
the Russians left.
We funded the bin laden crowd to get the Russians to leave. So, your
statement makes no sense.
That would be par for his course.

I was thinking A Hole in one. Sorry, bad pun.
Maybe the A-hole but never the one. His index is 23, which means on
his best day he'd shoot 1.5 strokes over par each hole. That means
his game is nearly as excruciating to him as he is to us.

That's beyond duffer. Doofus perhaps. He'd be a good twosome with
Disney's Goofy. Would probably get along very well with Walt as well.

I don't know much about golf, unless you're talking minature golf. lol
All you need to know is that it likely frustrates the **** out of
Herring. At least you know he's getting his.

He seems to be loling about now...

lol lol lol

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On Oct 22, 9:36*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

He is being like Clinton. *Following the polls. *CNN, etc poll says people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. *Clinton should have made the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone in to
the books as one of the great Presidents.-

guess billy doesnt follow the news.

the polls show the american public wants us to get out of
afghanistan...obama sent more troops...something bush didn't have the
balls to do, all the while dick sucker cheney whimpers that obama's
making him look bad.

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On Oct 22, 11:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick..
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. *Unless it is because a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. * We did not hire him to be
an arbitrator of popularity. *He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here"
part of the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. *Following the polls. *CNN, etc poll says people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. *Clinton should have made the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone in
to the books as one of the great Presidents.

And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following? Perhaps
you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the population
supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....


and every time clinton did something the GOP said it was
'political'...

damned if you do....

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On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

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On Oct 23, 12:25*am, "Bill McKee" wrote:

He did not leave a surplus! *The National debt did not go down.

he left a balanced budget which is more than the GOP can say

*The dot.com
bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they could spend right
away.
*Lots of that money was committed to future spending, which is
hurting
us now.

gee you'd think that a GOP president and a GOP congress would have
fixed it...they had all the power.



*Same thing with California. *So much extra cash that the budget has
doubled in the last 8 years before now, and lots of that money was committed
as if the gobs of extra money was a permanent source. *Bosnia was and is a
disaster. *Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. *Did not
concern us. *Somalia. *He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested.
Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor. *

as was the war in iraq when bush fired gen. shinseki for asking for
more troops....



.. *Barrack is listening to some polls on the healthcare. *Those who
think they should have free healthcare. *Same ones who thought he was going
to pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank.

we have the most expensive and least efficient healthcare in the
world. socialized medicine seems to work in countries like the UK,
france, germany and canada. but the american right, wedded to the
failed idea of 'efficient markets' tells fairy tales about the economy
(see the recent article by MIT prof. simon johnson in the 'new
republic')

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:50:07 -0400, Tosk wrote:


They did have a poll that came out last week but it was
illegitimate with them polling 30% less republicans, but that's what
they call "news", fair and balanced..

Those numbers may not be all that illegitimate. These days, only 20% of
adults self identify themselves as Republican.

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On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

My my, but the minority media is getting a lot like talk radio.. Maybe
MSNBC should be silenced and sent home to get their tingles up their
legs...;)

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On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:32:03 -0400, John H. wrote:


Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

That is low. Currently, only 20% of adults self identify themselves as
Republicans, 36% self identify themselves as Democrats. There should
have been 16% more Democrats polled.