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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:30:22 -0400, (charles bash)
wrote:

Vary interesting but I suspect that this guy the Fortune Teller doesn't
appreciate the massive loss of our manufacturing base due to Free Trade,
and the Resultant effect of our Nation moving into, {{ commonly called
}} a "Service Economy!! N'est Pas? He could well be right on the
"Trends" because that is what he is looking at. Clever at uncovering
Trends. That's his Bag.

The revival of our economy, beginning during and after Recessions and
"slow downs", has traditionally been the revival First,, of The
Manufacturing Component of "our economy".
This has been the tradition, and economists have quoted this, for at
least 30 or 40 years. But they are not quoting it AFAICanSee,,, now!
Because manufacturing Revival can't be big enough ennymore.! The tail
to wag the Whole Dog!

Look at all our hardware gadgets, all our electronic stuff, our clothing
and shoes Made Overseas and no one in Politics CONCERNED about a $ 700
Billion dollar Trade Deficit! For 2008. Aye! There's the Rub!! Our
automoble industry in bankruptcy!

Whereas "manufacturing" is only 10 percent of "our economy",, in
decades prior to the 1980's , say 1950's and 1960's manufacturing was
as high as 33 percent of "our economy"

Whats-his-name may well be right on his forecast here, but the Truth,,
and the Whole Truth. he is not giving us. { that I have seen here} The
Causes of his "trends"!.

President of the World Bank, a few days ago Warned of the US Consuming
more than it Produces for Decades! He ascribes the pre-eminence of "the
Dollar" as the vehicle that made it possible for America to do this. By
"borrowing" from ready lenders,, living "beyond our means" For Decades!!

I posted here a few days ago about Mr Zoellick's observations on the
pre-eminence of "the dollar". And it may be ending.. { will try to keep
you informed on 'the dollar'. I need to branch out to other currencies
than just the Euro } The dollar is Not Finished yet. Other economies
and their currencies are in trouble, too !

Well we can't say Karl Marx didn't warn us on Free Trade == Free
Trade Will Bring About The Revolt Of the Working Class Well, We
shall see.
C. Bash

~ jezizz, 2012 is less than 3 years off ~

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

ted

http://www.americanworker.org/ American Worker

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

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On 10/11/09 12:30 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:

Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take Pearl
Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most people are
denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.


You mean, of course, conservatism is the problem.


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

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On Oct 11, 9:16*am, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:17:51 -0700, wrote:
Welcome the chaos and despair. Only if America hits bottam can it
be properly rebuilt. Otherwise, the slow-rusting death of a divided
country with social disruptions becoming everyday news.

That's the argument terrorists use, especially when their targets are
local. * *But rebuilding from the bottom historically has been when
the worst evils are committed.

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. * *But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union. This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase. In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation. When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

What's more important is that the Blue Jackets are 3 - 1 to start the
season. The Sharks layed one on 'em though...man what a talented team
that is! The GM of the Senators needs to be taken out back and shot
for giving Heatley up to the Sharks! If they don't win it all this
year, they never will!

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Canuck57 wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:

People have been better off where change continues without hitting
bottom. But those advocating hitting bottom do so because they
don't like forward change - they want to go back to a past that never
was.

On what do you base this rather broadly stated assertion? I am sure
you are correct in some cases, but equally sure that it is not so in all
cases, perhaps even a large majority. As for "past that never was" -
some yes, most no. There have been better days in the USA. Returning
to living in a manner that accords with the principles of individual
liberty is not, as you would seem to imply, wrong-headed and
implausible. It is eminently doable, but people have got to get their
heads straightened out. That last bit, I contend, is the real kicker -
the single most important and by far difficult element in all of this
and one whose successful realization I am not optimistic for. But if
heads began popping out of anuses by the millions, there could be
fundamental change here in a very short while. But we are a mishmash of
conflicting opinions with near-terminal case of poisoning by
social-liberalism, amongst other thought maladies. If we are to survive
as a nation to be even worth crapping on, we most assuredly have our
work cut out for ourselves.

Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

I tend to agree with this. On the whole, people don't learn until they
get their asses beaten badly enough. Even then...

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H the K wrote:

You mean, of course, conservatism is the problem.

Simplistic opinion. The term, much like "liberalism", has several
definitions. You would need to define your terms, but if you have no
intention of doing so in an adult manner, I would ask you not waste our
time.

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Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union.

Getting more like it by the minute these days. Do not make the fatal
error if believing that it cannot happen here. It can, and by slices,
it is.

This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase.

This is no recession - it is depression. Mild at the moment, but there
are events on the horizon that are almost certain to come before long
that will turn the wick up a notch or two on our currently unwelcome
conditions. Just one example would be the coming wave of mortgage
foreclosures. That should be spread over the coming year or two. Based
on my reading, it stands to be a damned sight worse than the first wave.

And what about the likelihood of hyperinflation? While it would be
nice to be able to pay off the mortgage after only 20 minutes after
taking that job at McDonalds, the other side effects may not be so pleasant.

In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation.

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

The operative work here is "when". As it is currently proceeding,
Obama and congress may be defining "when" in terms of geological time
scales.

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Demon Buddha wrote in
:

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union.

Getting more like it by the minute these days. Do not make the
fatal
error if believing that it cannot happen here. It can, and by slices,
it is.

This will not cause the collapse of US
society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase.

This is no recession - it is depression. Mild at the moment, but
there
are events on the horizon that are almost certain to come before long
that will turn the wick up a notch or two on our currently unwelcome
conditions. Just one example would be the coming wave of mortgage
foreclosures. That should be spread over the coming year or two. Based
on my reading, it stands to be a damned sight worse than the first wave.

And what about the likelihood of hyperinflation? While it would be
nice to be able to pay off the mortgage after only 20 minutes after
taking that job at McDonalds, the other side effects may not be so
pleasant.

In a few months we will get some real growth
and consequent inflation.

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

When the value of the currency matches GDP
and other indices of real worth, we will get another period of
prolonged growth. While the ole boom/bust cycle is not well liked by
some progressives, it sure beats the permanent mandated bust phase
that result from progressivist policies.

The operative work here is "when". As it is currently proceeding,
Obama and congress may be defining "when" in terms of geological time
scales.


Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down than
go socialist.

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Let the Record show that Demon Buddha on or about
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:12:12 -0400 did write/type or cause to appear in
seattle.politics the following:


Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

I tend to agree with this. On the whole, people don't learn until they
get their asses beaten badly enough. Even then...

"The ear of the fool is in his back." Egyptian proverb I learned
while there.

-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:10:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Demon Buddha on or about
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:12:12 -0400 did write/type or cause to appear in
seattle.politics the following:


Trouble is, so very few have the diciple or IQ to anticipate. Take
Pearl Harbor, they should have been on alert and not golfing. Most
people are denialists, a major flaw in our species which allows our easy
manipualtion toward nafarious ends.

Hitting bottom is necessary for the masses to wake up and smell the
coffee that liberalism and corruption are the problem, not the solution.

I tend to agree with this. On the whole, people don't learn until they
get their asses beaten badly enough. Even then...

"The ear of the fool is in his back." Egyptian proverb I learned
while there.

-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

....seattle.politics...the stomping ground of jps. Now I see where all
these turkeys came from.

Thanks jps. You and Harry are doing your best. It's appreciated.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:20:13 -0500,
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down than
go socialist.

I won't. I don't understand why someone would rather see the house
burn down than go socialist.

But for now, I am assuming that like most people, you are very
selective about what socialism you are willing to die for. Social
Security is an obvious example of socialism - but as far as that goes,
*all* insurance is socialism. Public schools is socialism. Publicly
paid for military is socialism. Public roads is socialism. It's hard
to see how anybody will benefit by burning them all down.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO

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Gray Ghost wrote:

Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down than
go socialist.

We already are socialist and have been since 1933, thanks to that
commie rag FDR. We have been a crypto-socialist affair for abut 76
years. I don't see that changing any time soon. All those people on
welfare for the 5th generation running would not know what to do with
themselves. But let us hope I am wrong and they become faced with the
choice of finding a job or starving to death.

Yes, we have been socialist, but have now added the factor of more or
less bald-faced fascism to the mix. I do not consider the USA to be a
constitutional republic any longer in terms of how we actually do our
business. We are a fascist capitalist police state. Things are likely
to get worse before they get better. A lot worse.

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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.

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Demon Buddha wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must
part company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could
be worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.


chuckle

....the more things "change" the more they stay the same...

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Howard Brazee wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:20:13 -0500,
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down
than go socialist.

I won't. I don't understand why someone would rather see the house
burn down than go socialist.

But for now, I am assuming that like most people, you are very
selective about what socialism you are willing to die for. Social
Security is an obvious example of socialism - but as far as that goes,
*all* insurance is socialism. Public schools is socialism. Publicly
paid for military is socialism. Public roads is socialism. It's hard
to see how anybody will benefit by burning them all down.


Don't like Social Security.
Don't like public schools.
Insurance provided by the free market is not socialism, it is free preople
working together.
The military is not socialism.
Public roads, well, would you prefer driving on a goat path?

But socialism rots the soul and removes the incentive to improve oneself. And
lets petty tyrants decide your fate.

Burn it down and start over.

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Demon Buddha wrote in
:

Gray Ghost wrote:

Don't forget the people like me who would rather see the house burn down
than go socialist.

We already are socialist and have been since 1933, thanks to that
commie rag FDR. We have been a crypto-socialist affair for abut 76
years. I don't see that changing any time soon. All those people on
welfare for the 5th generation running would not know what to do with
themselves. But let us hope I am wrong and they become faced with the
choice of finding a job or starving to death.

Yes, we have been socialist, but have now added the factor of more
or
less bald-faced fascism to the mix. I do not consider the USA to be a
constitutional republic any longer in terms of how we actually do our
business. We are a fascist capitalist police state. Things are likely
to get worse before they get better. A lot worse.


Which is why a fire is needed.

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queenie wrote in
:

rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO



Try posting after you get your brain back from the cleaners.

If you really think the Democrats are for the little guy in anything other
than name only you are a complete fool.

788 billion dollar "stimulus". Did big business get that or was it
distributed to the poor and needy?

Maybe you think nationalized health care is to help the porr and needy. Ask
your Congressman for specfics, he won;t have any. It was written by special
interests and not one single Congressdroid has the least freaking idea what's
in the bill.

If they don't know what's in the bill, how can they know is for those in
need?

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Alex DeLarge wrote:

In terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I
must part company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things
could be worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it.
Obama shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence,
avarice, hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value.
I can hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush
by such a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.


chuckle

...the more things "change" the more they stay the same...

Pretty much.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:01 -0400, queenie
wrote:

I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO

And they don't actually have to *do* anything for the Religious Right
the way they do Big Business.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:01 -0400, queenie
puked:

rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO

But the Democrats, in this case, have crafted policies that save and
benefit big business and have proposed taxes that hurt small business
along with little in the stimulus for them.

So in essence, it's more of the same, except they are going out of
their way to hurt the group of businesses that employ the largest
number of people in the US.

In addition, they are continuing the concept of "trickle down" by
either giving huge sums of cash or outright taking over large
businesses hoping that it will trickle down into the economy.
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:19 -0400, queenie
puked:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!

And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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On Oct 13, 10:18*am, "lab~rat :-)" wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:19 -0400, queenie
puked:





On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

* * * *Um... not likely. *Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. * *They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

* * * *I terms of principle, I fully agree. *In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. *Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. *Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. *I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. *Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! *Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!

And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--


as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.

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lab~rat :-) wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:01 -0400, queenie
puked:

rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.
I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO

But the Democrats, in this case, have crafted policies that save and
benefit big business and have proposed taxes that hurt small business
along with little in the stimulus for them.

So in essence, it's more of the same, except they are going out of
their way to hurt the group of businesses that employ the largest
number of people in the US.

In addition, they are continuing the concept of "trickle down" by
either giving huge sums of cash or outright taking over large
businesses hoping that it will trickle down into the economy.
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

In the final analysis, republicans and democrats work the precise same
agenda. The difference is that they tell different lies. As to which
one ultimately "wins" (assuming one of them does), that will only
determine whether we become outwardly socialist or fascist, which in
terms of the pleasantness of our daily lives will be six of one or half
dozen of the other. As the old Wendy's ads used to say "one choice is
no choice".

If these elites are not beaten down - beaten unto death, we are all
****ed. So I will once again suggest that all ideologues on each side
of the argument proceed to remove their heads from their rectums as
rapidly as possible - forget this left/right nonsense, learn to
recognize the real threat, get over themselves and get to thinking
correctly about what should and should not be happening.

2012 forecast: Food riots, ghost malls, mob rule, riots, terror
 

wf3h wrote in
:

On Oct 13, 10:18*am, "lab~rat :-)" wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:19 -0400, queenie puked:





On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

* * * *Um... not likely. *Runaway inflation is not a result of
economic growth, but of out of control printing of paper money,
which our esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to
kick off and which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights
GW's puny mind could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. * *They both work for Big Business, with the huge
tax of a huge deficit we will pay.

* * * *I terms of principle, I fully agree. *In terms of degree, I
must part
company with you a bit. *Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. *Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence,
avarice, hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value.
*I can hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip
Bush by such a margin, and yet here we are. *Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! *Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!

And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--


as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.


Um, our money, other countries. Exactly what is the issue? I don't want to
pay for abortions in the US let alone in foreign lands.

And what is the moral imperative to steal my money to kill babies in foreign
countries?

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On Oct 13, 12:48*pm, (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
wf3h wrote :



And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--

as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.

Um, our money, other countries. Exactly what is the issue? I don't want to
pay for abortions in the US let alone in foreign lands.

not the issue. try to stay on topic. the topic was the timing.


And what is the moral imperative to steal my money to kill babies in foreign
countries?-

good thing abortion doesn't kill babies, isn't it? i was a volunteer
guard at an abortion clinic that was the target of 'pro life'
terrorists (one was actually arrested during an incident of
terrorism.)

i never saw or heard of a single baby being killed

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:34:29 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 13, 10:18*am, "lab~rat :-)" wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:19 -0400, queenie
puked:





On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

* * * *Um... not likely. *Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. * *They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

* * * *I terms of principle, I fully agree. *In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. *Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. *Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. *I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. *Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! *Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!

And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--


as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.

Bush never did like baby killing, especially when the USA was paying
for it.

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wf3h wrote in
:

On Oct 13, 12:48*pm, (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
wf3h wrote
:



And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts
was to fund abortions in other countries... --

as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.

Um, our money, other countries. Exactly what is the issue? I don't want
to pay for abortions in the US let alone in foreign lands.

not the issue. try to stay on topic. the topic was the timing.


And what is the moral imperative to steal my money to kill babies in
foreign countries?-

good thing abortion doesn't kill babies, isn't it? i was a volunteer
guard at an abortion clinic that was the target of 'pro life'
terrorists (one was actually arrested during an incident of
terrorism.)

i never saw or heard of a single baby being killed


Sure Dr Mengele, they were just Jews, who cares?

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:58:45 -0400, Demon Buddha
puked:

lab~rat :-) wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:01 -0400, queenie
puked:

rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.
I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. JMO

But the Democrats, in this case, have crafted policies that save and
benefit big business and have proposed taxes that hurt small business
along with little in the stimulus for them.

So in essence, it's more of the same, except they are going out of
their way to hurt the group of businesses that employ the largest
number of people in the US.

In addition, they are continuing the concept of "trickle down" by
either giving huge sums of cash or outright taking over large
businesses hoping that it will trickle down into the economy.
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

In the final analysis, republicans and democrats work the precise same
agenda. The difference is that they tell different lies. As to which
one ultimately "wins" (assuming one of them does), that will only
determine whether we become outwardly socialist or fascist, which in
terms of the pleasantness of our daily lives will be six of one or half
dozen of the other. As the old Wendy's ads used to say "one choice is
no choice".

If these elites are not beaten down - beaten unto death, we are all
****ed. So I will once again suggest that all ideologues on each side
of the argument proceed to remove their heads from their rectums as
rapidly as possible - forget this left/right nonsense, learn to
recognize the real threat, get over themselves and get to thinking
correctly about what should and should not be happening.

I agree 100%. The problem isn't the Ds or the Rs, it's the people in
Washington.
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

2012 forecast: Food riots, ghost malls, mob rule, riots, terror
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:34:29 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
puked:

On Oct 13, 10:18Êam, "lab~rat :-)" wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:19 -0400, queenie
puked:





On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Ê Ê Ê ÊUm... not likely. ÊRunaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. Ê ÊThey both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

Ê Ê Ê ÊI terms of principle, I fully agree. ÊIn terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. ÊThough my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. ÊObama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. ÊI can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. ÊAmazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! ÊJeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!

And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--


as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.

Well, from my perspective, that's two positives opposed to one
negative. At this point, if it would cost less out of my pocket for
people to have abortions, I'd be for it.

In fact, as I've said before, I think all women are entitled to ONE
abortion. During said abortion, their reproductive organs are ripped
out with the baby.

There is merit to that plan saving me money in the long run...
--
lab~rat :-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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wf3h wrote:
On Oct 13, 12:48 pm, (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
wf3h wrote :


And amid the major crises in our country, one of his first efforts was
to fund abortions in other countries...
--
as opposed to bush who, as a first act, restricted funding for
abortions in other countries.
Um, our money, other countries. Exactly what is the issue? I don't want to
pay for abortions in the US let alone in foreign lands.

not the issue. try to stay on topic. the topic was the timing.

And what is the moral imperative to steal my money to kill babies in foreign
countries?-

good thing abortion doesn't kill babies, isn't it? i was a volunteer
guard at an abortion clinic that was the target of 'pro life'
terrorists (one was actually arrested during an incident of
terrorism.)

i never saw or heard of a single baby being killed

That isn't the point. The point, which GG obscured with his emotional
response, was that OUR money should not be funding ANYTHING in foreign
lands. We've flushed countless trillions of dollars down the chute
since the end of WWII in other countries, most of which have thanked our
largess with an overwhelming "**** you". I say let them all find their
own ways. Let them die for all I care. Time for the USA to be about
and for the USA and nobody else. Screw the rest of the world.

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"queenie" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence, avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!


And was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize before he was sworn in as
president. He won't make it to eight years.

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:18:12 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote this crap:



And was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize before he was sworn in as
president. He won't make it to eight years.


He was never sworn in as president. He messed the oath of office
twice.






Vote for Palin-Ahhnold in 2012.




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

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On Oct 12, 12:23*pm, Demon Buddha wrote:
Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
This sort of thing has happened before, and will happen again. the US
is not the Soviet Union.

* * * * Getting more like it by the minute these days. *Do not make the fatal
error if believing that it cannot happen here. *It can, and by slices,
it is.

* This will not cause the collapse of US

society. We have had the recession and deflation...still going through
the deflationary phase.

* * * * This is no recession - it is depression. *Mild at the moment, but there
are events on the horizon that are almost certain to come before long
that will turn the wick up a notch or two on our currently unwelcome
conditions. *Just one example would be the coming wave of mortgage
foreclosures. *That should be spread over the coming year or two. *Based
on my reading, it stands to be a damned sight worse than the first wave.

* * * * And what about the likelihood of hyperinflation? *While it would be
nice to be able to pay off the mortgage after only 20 minutes after
taking that job at McDonalds, the other side effects may not be so pleasant.

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On Oct 12, 6:19*pm, (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
queenie wrote :

rOn Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:59 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. * *They both work for Big Business, with the huge tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I totally agree with you, but it seems to me that the Democrats craft
policies that benefit the middle and lower classes and Republican
policies benefit the wealthy. * Because Republican policies benefit
the minority--the wealthy, they need hate speech, racism, and wedge
issues to distract and divide so that they can win elections. *JMO

Try posting after you get your brain back from the cleaners.

If you really think the Democrats are for the little guy in anything other
than name only you are a complete fool.

788 billion dollar "stimulus". Did big business get that or was it
distributed to the poor and needy?

Maybe you think nationalized health care is to help the porr and needy. Ask
your Congressman for specfics, he won;t have any. It was written by special
interests and not one single Congressdroid has the least freaking idea what's
in the bill.

If they don't know what's in the bill, how can they know is for those in
need?

The poor have been screwed more by social engineering than anyone
else. Millions of poor people qualify for medicaid but aren't singed
up...you think this would be a good issue for organizations like
ACORN, right? Nope! And they plan to cut funds to medicaid/medicare to
pay for the health care boondoggle they are planning...you really
think they are going to screw over a key constituency, seniors, who
vote, for the sake of poor people, who don't vote?
As it is, poor people can go to emergency rooms for care...but after?
I seriously doubt it.

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"Morton Davis" wrote in news:8g5Bm.90856$la3.84369
@attbi_s22:


"queenie" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny
mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge
tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence,
avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by
such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!


And was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize before he was sworn in as
president.

Perhaps. He was inaugurated as president two weeks before the
nominations closed.


He won't make it to eight years.

Another perhaps. It will depend on the economy recovering, the national
debt, taxes, Afghanistan, terrorism status, etc.. not the Nobel Prize.



--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

On TV, they show how detergents take out bloodstains. A pretty
violent image. I think if you've got a Tshirt full of bloodstains,
maybe laundry isn't your biggest problem. Maybe you should get rid
of the body before you do the wash and get some different friends.

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:50:32 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote:

"Morton Davis" wrote in news:8g5Bm.90856$la3.84369
@attbi_s22:


"queenie" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:33 -0400, Demon Buddha
wrote:

Um... not likely. Runaway inflation is not a result of economic
growth, but of out of control printing of paper money, which our
esteemed ex-president and congress were quite happy to kick off and
which our current Nobel laureate has taken to heights GW's puny
mind
could unlikely wrap itself around.

I don't see that there is a significant difference between the two
presidents here. They both work for Big Business, with the huge
tax
of a huge deficit we will pay.

I terms of principle, I fully agree. In terms of degree, I must part
company with you a bit. Though my logical mind knew things could be
worse than Bush, my heart didn't really want to believe it. Obama
shattered that by putting GW to shame in terms of incompetence,
avarice,
hubris, out of control spending, and doing nothing of value. I can
hardly believe that it would have been possible to outstrip Bush by
such
a margin, and yet here we are. Amazing.

Get back to me on that after eight years! Jeez, the man's been in
office for NINE months!!!!


And was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize before he was sworn in as
president.

Perhaps. He was inaugurated as president two weeks before the
nominations closed.


He won't make it to eight years.

Another perhaps. It will depend on the economy recovering, the national
debt, taxes, Afghanistan, terrorism status, etc.. not the Nobel Prize.

Even if all of the above goes well, it will really depend on how much
the Republican noise machine can convince the American sheep that they
really still have it bad because of Obama's policies.

I can see it now. Fox News and the Republican noise machine will
scream, "The economy has recovered, you have health insurance, the
national debt has declined, we are not at war and unemployment is at
5% BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON JUICE BOXES!!!!!!" Damn those
Democrats!

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:50:32 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote:

He won't make it to eight years.

Another perhaps. It will depend on the economy recovering, the national
debt, taxes, Afghanistan, terrorism status, etc.. not the Nobel Prize.

Not to mention whomever his competition for the job is.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison