On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for
human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging
reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a
Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square
Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly
80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan
and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks
his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims,
also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the
Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N.
special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama - he's worthy of the Peace Prize for doing
nothing.

Good points. Too bad they made the Peace prize a joke.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for
human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging
reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a
Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square
Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly
80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan
and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks
his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims,
also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the
Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N.
special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama - he's worthy of the Peace Prize for doing
nothing.

Good points. Too bad they made the Peace prize a joke.

--Vic


Why? Because it's not completely unusual for the prize to be awarded to
promote change...

Who do you think is likely to have a greater impact...

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:44:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for
human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging
reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a
Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square
Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly
80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan
and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks
his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims,
also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the
Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N.
special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama - he's worthy of the Peace Prize for doing
nothing.

Good points. Too bad they made the Peace prize a joke.

--Vic


Why? Because it's not completely unusual for the prize to be awarded to
promote change...

Never saw that before. Seems past winners had solid past
accomplishments in the "peace" arena.
Even Arafat, though he proved intransigent in the end.

Who do you think is likely to have a greater impact...

Obama MIGHT in the future, and he might not.
Common prudence says look at the above list first.
Genuine work and sacrifice. Sadat won I think, and paid dearly.
I'm far from an expert on it and don't pay much attention.
That this award strikes me as silly doesn't make me a bad person.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:44:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for
human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging
reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a
Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square
Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly
80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan
and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks
his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims,
also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the
Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N.
special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama - he's worthy of the Peace Prize for doing
nothing.

Good points. Too bad they made the Peace prize a joke.

--Vic


Why? Because it's not completely unusual for the prize to be awarded to
promote change...

Never saw that before. Seems past winners had solid past
accomplishments in the "peace" arena.
Even Arafat, though he proved intransigent in the end.

Who do you think is likely to have a greater impact...

Obama MIGHT in the future, and he might not.
Common prudence says look at the above list first.
Genuine work and sacrifice. Sadat won I think, and paid dearly.
I'm far from an expert on it and don't pay much attention.
That this award strikes me as silly doesn't make me a bad person.

--Vic



Look at the wiki page about the Nobel Peace prize.

You're right he might or might not, but most presidents have far-reaching
impact. GWB is an example. Not for good, but his impact on the world was
large.

I don't think you're a bad person. If I implied that, it was unintentional.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:45:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



Look at the wiki page about the Nobel Peace prize.

Ok, I looked. Obama doesn't belong on the list.
My opinion.
Seems the committee is working on "hope" criteria instead of
established work as in the past.
Maybe he'll justify it in the end, but the "rules" have certainly
changed.
BTW, John Paul II, the Polish Pope, should be on that list.
He exuded peace and love, and spread it where ever he went.

You're right he might or might not, but most presidents have far-reaching
impact. GWB is an example. Not for good, but his impact on the world was
large.

I don't think you're a bad person. If I implied that, it was unintentional.

I was just kidding. I know I'm not a bad person. Mostly.

--Vic

On 10/9/09 10:01 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:45:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



Look at the wiki page about the Nobel Peace prize.

Ok, I looked. Obama doesn't belong on the list.
My opinion.
Seems the committee is working on "hope" criteria instead of
established work as in the past.
Maybe he'll justify it in the end, but the "rules" have certainly
changed.
BTW, John Paul II, the Polish Pope, should be on that list.
He exuded peace and love, and spread it where ever he went.

You're right he might or might not, but most presidents have far-reaching
impact. GWB is an example. Not for good, but his impact on the world was
large.

I don't think you're a bad person. If I implied that, it was unintentional.

I was just kidding. I know I'm not a bad person. Mostly.

--Vic

The Nobel committee has awarded on the basis of "hope" before.

Desmond Tutu won the prize for working for the end of apartheid, which
was not achieved for more than 10 years after his selection.

The Dalai Lama won the prize for struggling for the liberation of Tibet,
which has not been achieved.

Aung San Suu Kyi won for her efforts to liberate Burma, which has not
happened.

I can think of many reasons why Obama won, including these few:

his ending of the concept of pre-emptive war
his ending of the policy of not talking to our enemies
his shutting down of the torture mills
his message of hope and a brighter future for people all around the world





--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:14:23 -0400, H the K
wrote:



The Nobel committee has awarded on the basis of "hope" before.

Desmond Tutu won the prize for working for the end of apartheid, which
was not achieved for more than 10 years after his selection.

The Dalai Lama won the prize for struggling for the liberation of Tibet,
which has not been achieved.

Aung San Suu Kyi won for her efforts to liberate Burma, which has not
happened.


I saw the same Rachel Maddow puerile argument. She really
disappointed me with that.
Akin to saying those who won the medicine award for the double helix
wouldn't have got the award because DNA still isn't fully understood.
A look at the list of former winners shows without exception - until
Obama - years or decades of hard and often not widely recognized work.
There can be quibbles with the list, but that is a constant.
Even Obama is embarrassed at getting the award.
But he's handled it well.
Any justification is political nonsense IMO.
And the award was a political statement more than for real
accomplishment and sacrifice.
We'll see how it holds up if he decides to drop some MOAB's on the
Arabs. I suspect this is an attempt to forestall such events.

I can think of many reasons why Obama won, including these few:

his ending of the concept of pre-emptive war
his ending of the policy of not talking to our enemies
his shutting down of the torture mills

Right. Except those are givens, and to me simple American and common
sense values. Hardly groundbreaking. Party platform.

his message of hope and a brighter future for people all around the world

I understand "hope." But we live in a reality of sacrifice and work.
And that's how medals and ribbons should be won.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:45:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



Look at the wiki page about the Nobel Peace prize.

Ok, I looked. Obama doesn't belong on the list.
My opinion.
Seems the committee is working on "hope" criteria instead of
established work as in the past.
Maybe he'll justify it in the end, but the "rules" have certainly
changed.
BTW, John Paul II, the Polish Pope, should be on that list.
He exuded peace and love, and spread it where ever he went.

You're right he might or might not, but most presidents have far-reaching
impact. GWB is an example. Not for good, but his impact on the world was
large.

I don't think you're a bad person. If I implied that, it was
unintentional.

I was just kidding. I know I'm not a bad person. Mostly.

--Vic


I don't know if he deserved it or not. He got it. We should be proud that
the Nobel committee thinks so highly of him. That hasn't been case of recent
presidents.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:45:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



Look at the wiki page about the Nobel Peace prize.

Ok, I looked. Obama doesn't belong on the list.
My opinion.
Seems the committee is working on "hope" criteria instead of
established work as in the past.
Maybe he'll justify it in the end, but the "rules" have certainly
changed.
BTW, John Paul II, the Polish Pope, should be on that list.
He exuded peace and love, and spread it where ever he went.

You're right he might or might not, but most presidents have far-reaching
impact. GWB is an example. Not for good, but his impact on the world was
large.

I don't think you're a bad person. If I implied that, it was
unintentional.

I was just kidding. I know I'm not a bad person. Mostly.

--Vic


I don't know if he deserved it or not. He got it. We should be proud that
the Nobel committee thinks so highly of him. That hasn't been case of
recent presidents.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Maybe it was really the NoBalls award.

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:44:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for
human rights in the PRC, not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging
reforms of China's communist system. -- not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama. (Not to mention the symbolic value of awarding a
Chinese dissident on the 20th Anniversary of the Tianenmen Square
Massacre.)

Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly
80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan
and Afghanistan over the past 15 years - not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks
his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims,
also not as worthy as Barack Hussein Obama.

Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the
Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N.
special envoy to Darfur and is apparently also not as worthy as Barack
Hussein Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama - he's worthy of the Peace Prize for doing
nothing.

Good points. Too bad they made the Peace prize a joke.

--Vic


Why? Because it's not completely unusual for the prize to be awarded to
promote change...

Never saw that before.

Because our "new" friend Nom de Harry just made it up... Does that
surprise you?

Seems past winners had solid past
accomplishments in the "peace" arena.
Even Arafat, though he proved intransigent in the end.

Who do you think is likely to have a greater impact...

Obama MIGHT in the future, and he might not.
Common prudence says look at the above list first.
Genuine work and sacrifice. Sadat won I think, and paid dearly.
I'm far from an expert on it and don't pay much attention.
That this award strikes me as silly doesn't make me a bad person.

--Vic