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Hypothetical question
Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is
getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. |
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On 10/8/09 8:24 AM, Tim wrote:
Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. A. By itself, yes, it would be promoting religion. But...as you well know, there are novels that include biblical passages in their texts. Why, some of them are on your "sample list"! What a surprise. :) Moby-Dick, my favorite novel, is nothing if not a religious allegory. B. The King James bible is a wonderful example of beautiful writing in the English language, and it certainly could be used as an example of literature and studied for its literary prowess. That, of course, would include the gospel of Matthew, which, in addition to its literary merits, is also a sales letter of the first magnitude. It is perfectly appropriate for *college* students to study the bible as a literary work. I did, in getting my masters. It is not appropriate for study in any manner in public K-12 schools. C. You obviously are aware of the "connections" between Oliver Twist and the Church of England. :) Very clever... -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Oct 8, 7:50*am, H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 8:24 AM, Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" * "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. A. By itself, yes, it would be promoting religion. But...as you well know, there are novels that include biblical passages in their texts. Why, some of them are on your "sample list"! What a surprise. *:) Moby-Dick, my favorite novel, is nothing if not a religious allegory. B. The King James bible is a wonderful example of beautiful writing in the English language, and it certainly could be used as an example of literature and studied for its literary prowess. That, of course, would include the gospel of Matthew, which, in addition to its literary merits, is also a sales letter of the first magnitude. It is perfectly appropriate for *college* students to study the bible as a literary work. I did, in getting my masters. It is not appropriate for study in any manner in public K-12 schools. C. You obviously are aware of the "connections" between Oliver Twist and the Church of England. *:) Very clever... -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure thing about Ollie. But it is also regarded as classic literature. Actually I would say that what I posted above isn't actually that Hypothetical. My highschool teacher (incidently a Lutheran pastors daughter) proposed about 25 various books to be read. More than what I listed. Again, none were asigned but all were optional. In my Lit class of about 18 kids, I and three others chose Matt. two of the kids were unbelievers. Reports were given and one of the unbelievers got a higher grade than I. but all was done on a literary and not a theological stand point. I would probably have done a report on Mein Kampf if it was available. ?;^ ) |
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On Oct 8, 9:15*am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. That is a rather complex question. Would we be describing the reading assignment as a selection of one out of seven fictional books? Or, can you choose the non fiction book versus one of the six novels..... On the face of it, given that there are choices, it would seem to be acceptable. However, I would cry fowl on the basis that the class is *English Literature* which, by definition, are those texts written in English. If we are going to offer everything translated into English as fair game, we might as well just change the course title and syllabus to World Literature. Given the course title, if the teacher is compelled to offer some sort of link to a religious text, I think the Book of Common Prayer would be more appropriate. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? Probably, due to the limitations of choice. Christianity is a religion developed from Judaism, all of which developed in the Middle East, a region that spans southwestern Asia, southeastern Europe, and northeastern Africa.... and as far as I can tell really has little to do with "English Literature" either geographically, culturally, linguistically, philosophically, etc. Thus, why offering a Christian text as an acceptable "English Text" without also including the (surely translated) Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Confucianism, Shinto, etc., etc. texts.... without even an honorable mention to Classical Paganism which WAS the original English Religious Literature.... is a bit cloudy. AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? I doubt that it could be, in this context. Authorship/Style? Nobody knows who wrote the Book of Matthew and one can't really discuss Matthew without inclusion of the other three gospels, most notably Mark (and the non-extant Quelle source), from which the Book of Matthew was plagiarized. So, what are you going to ask the students to *do* with that text in an English Literature course? -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - First off, it wasn't a "bible study", Gene. and it wasn't to be such. It was like any other book report. to give an over all critique of what the author was trying to convey. And honestly, I really don't rememebr what I wrte about. that was in 1972 and I dont' have the paper. No one *had* to chose the Matthew account. |
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"Tim" wrote in message
... Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. As long as it was treated as literature, thus including information as to the possible author(s), the historical context, and perhaps a comparison to other, similar works, it would not be promoting a religion. I've had several classes where portions of religious works were discusses. No big deal. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"H the K" wrote in message
... On 10/8/09 8:24 AM, Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. A. By itself, yes, it would be promoting religion. But...as you well know, there are novels that include biblical passages in their texts. Why, some of them are on your "sample list"! What a surprise. :) Moby-Dick, my favorite novel, is nothing if not a religious allegory. B. The King James bible is a wonderful example of beautiful writing in the English language, and it certainly could be used as an example of literature and studied for its literary prowess. That, of course, would include the gospel of Matthew, which, in addition to its literary merits, is also a sales letter of the first magnitude. It is perfectly appropriate for *college* students to study the bible as a literary work. I did, in getting my masters. It is not appropriate for study in any manner in public K-12 schools. C. You obviously are aware of the "connections" between Oliver Twist and the Church of England. :) Very clever... I would imagine it would be appropriate for high school students also, as long as reasonable parameters are given. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Tim" wrote in message
... On Oct 8, 9:15 am, Gene wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. That is a rather complex question. Would we be describing the reading assignment as a selection of one out of seven fictional books? Or, can you choose the non fiction book versus one of the six novels..... On the face of it, given that there are choices, it would seem to be acceptable. However, I would cry fowl on the basis that the class is *English Literature* which, by definition, are those texts written in English. If we are going to offer everything translated into English as fair game, we might as well just change the course title and syllabus to World Literature. Given the course title, if the teacher is compelled to offer some sort of link to a religious text, I think the Book of Common Prayer would be more appropriate. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? Probably, due to the limitations of choice. Christianity is a religion developed from Judaism, all of which developed in the Middle East, a region that spans southwestern Asia, southeastern Europe, and northeastern Africa.... and as far as I can tell really has little to do with "English Literature" either geographically, culturally, linguistically, philosophically, etc. Thus, why offering a Christian text as an acceptable "English Text" without also including the (surely translated) Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Confucianism, Shinto, etc., etc. texts.... without even an honorable mention to Classical Paganism which WAS the original English Religious Literature.... is a bit cloudy. AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? I doubt that it could be, in this context. Authorship/Style? Nobody knows who wrote the Book of Matthew and one can't really discuss Matthew without inclusion of the other three gospels, most notably Mark (and the non-extant Quelle source), from which the Book of Matthew was plagiarized. So, what are you going to ask the students to *do* with that text in an English Literature course? -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - First off, it wasn't a "bible study", Gene. and it wasn't to be such. It was like any other book report. to give an over all critique of what the author was trying to convey. And honestly, I really don't rememebr what I wrte about. that was in 1972 and I dont' have the paper. No one *had* to chose the Matthew account. Tim, I just want to say that this is a really thought-provoking questions! It's quite different than trying to discuss the absolute thruth of something, which could be more of a bible-study class... e.g., here's the truth, no explanation needed. You could take A Christmas Carol, for example, and examine it in it's historical context and not just that it's (great) literature). The reason I mention the latter is because I listened to Olbermann's hour long Special Comment last night. There was no politicizing (or not much) and the hour flew by. He mentioned A Christmas Carol in historical context as compared to today (with the healthcare crisis). I'm sure it's available somewhere online. If you get a chance, I think it would be interesting to hear your perspective. Em -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Oct 8, 12:51*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"H the K" wrote in ... On 10/8/09 8:24 AM, Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" * "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. A. By itself, yes, it would be promoting religion. But...as you well know, there are novels that include biblical passages in their texts. Why, some of them are on your "sample list"! What a surprise. *:) Moby-Dick, my favorite novel, is nothing if not a religious allegory. B. The King James bible is a wonderful example of beautiful writing in the English language, and it certainly could be used as an example of literature and studied for its literary prowess. That, of course, would include the gospel of Matthew, which, in addition to its literary merits, is also a sales letter of the first magnitude. It is perfectly appropriate for *college* students to study the bible as a literary work. I did, in getting my masters. It is not appropriate for study in any manner in public K-12 schools. C. You obviously are aware of the "connections" between Oliver Twist and the Church of England. *:) Very clever... I would imagine it would be appropriate for high school students also, as long as reasonable parameters are given. -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Which even today, I believe were. |
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On Oct 8, 12:56*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Oct 8, 9:15 am, Gene wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. That is a rather complex question. Would we be describing the reading assignment as a selection of one out of seven fictional books? Or, can you choose the non fiction book versus one of the six novels..... On the face of it, given that there are choices, it would seem to be acceptable. However, I would cry fowl on the basis that the class is *English Literature* which, by definition, are those texts written in English. If we are going to offer everything translated into English as fair game, we might as well just change the course title and syllabus to World Literature. Given the course title, if the teacher is compelled to offer some sort of link to a religious text, I think the Book of Common Prayer would be more appropriate. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? Probably, due to the limitations of choice. Christianity is a religion developed from Judaism, all of which developed in the Middle East, a region that spans southwestern Asia, southeastern Europe, and northeastern Africa.... and as far as I can tell really has little to do with "English Literature" either geographically, culturally, linguistically, philosophically, etc. Thus, why offering a Christian text as an acceptable "English Text" without also including the (surely translated) Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Confucianism, Shinto, etc., etc. texts.... without even an honorable mention to Classical Paganism which WAS the original English Religious Literature.... is a bit cloudy. AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? I doubt that it could be, in this context. Authorship/Style? Nobody knows who wrote the Book of Matthew and one can't really discuss Matthew without inclusion of the other three gospels, most notably Mark (and the non-extant Quelle source), from which the Book of Matthew was plagiarized. So, what are you going to ask the students to *do* with that text in an English Literature course? -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - First off, it wasn't a "bible study", Gene. and it wasn't to be such. It was like any other book report. to give an over all critique of what the author was trying to *convey. And honestly, I really don't rememebr what I wrte about. that was in 1972 and I dont' have the paper. No one *had* to chose the Matthew account. Tim, I just want to say that this is a really thought-provoking questions! It's quite different than trying to discuss the absolute thruth of something, which could be more of a bible-study class... e.g., here's the truth, no explanation needed. You could take A Christmas Carol, for example, and examine it in it's historical context and not just that it's (great) literature). The reason I mention the latter is because I listened to Olbermann's hour long Special Comment last night. There was no politicizing (or not much) and the hour flew by. He mentioned A Christmas Carol in historical context as compared to today (with the healthcare crisis). I'm sure it's available somewhere online. If you get a chance, I think it would be interesting to hear your perspective. Em -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll have to look into that. Thanks! |
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On Oct 8, 12:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. As long as it was treated as literature, thus including information as to the possible author(s), the historical context, and perhaps a comparison to other, similar works, it would not be promoting a religion. I've had several classes where portions of religious works were discusses. No big deal. -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - my thoughts too! |
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On 10/8/09 1:51 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message ... On 10/8/09 8:24 AM, Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. A. By itself, yes, it would be promoting religion. But...as you well know, there are novels that include biblical passages in their texts. Why, some of them are on your "sample list"! What a surprise. :) Moby-Dick, my favorite novel, is nothing if not a religious allegory. B. The King James bible is a wonderful example of beautiful writing in the English language, and it certainly could be used as an example of literature and studied for its literary prowess. That, of course, would include the gospel of Matthew, which, in addition to its literary merits, is also a sales letter of the first magnitude. It is perfectly appropriate for *college* students to study the bible as a literary work. I did, in getting my masters. It is not appropriate for study in any manner in public K-12 schools. C. You obviously are aware of the "connections" between Oliver Twist and the Church of England. :) Very clever... I would imagine it would be appropriate for high school students also, as long as reasonable parameters are given. Possibly, but I prefer to keep the door of separation slammed as shut as possible. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. If the purpose of the assignment was to promote religion, then it would be promoting religion. If the purpose was to have the students read decent writing and practice writing, then it would not be promoting religion. Of course, the ACLU and other atheists would probably disagree with that. But then again, they would probably applaud the idea of assigning a book report on Mao Zedong's Little Red Book. |
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On Oct 8, 4:56*pm, John H Rant wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. If the purpose of the assignment was to promote religion, then it would be promoting religion. If the purpose was to have the students read decent writing and practice writing, then it would not be promoting religion. Of course, the ACLU and other atheists would probably disagree with that. But then again, they would probably applaud the idea of assigning a book report on Mao Zedong's Little Red Book.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, like I said, I would have probably done a report on Hitlers Mein Kampf if it was on the list, the "little red book?" That would have been interesting too. But today anything biblical or any book that might have a reference to biblical scriptures probably wouldn't be available. Some where down the line they've probably been replaced with the works of Kate Chopin. |
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On 10/8/09 6:43 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 8, 4:56 pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. If the purpose of the assignment was to promote religion, then it would be promoting religion. If the purpose was to have the students read decent writing and practice writing, then it would not be promoting religion. Of course, the ACLU and other atheists would probably disagree with that. But then again, they would probably applaud the idea of assigning a book report on Mao Zedong's Little Red Book.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, like I said, I would have probably done a report on Hitlers Mein Kampf if it was on the list, the "little red book?" That would have been interesting too. But today anything biblical or any book that might have a reference to biblical scriptures probably wouldn't be available. Some where down the line they've probably been replaced with the works of Kate Chopin. You know, I can't recall one class in public school where there was a reading list of books from which reports had to be made. I recall lots of reports in my classes based upon Dickens' novels and Austen's novels in the 7th grade. Fine reads, but after that the reports came mostly on more esoteric books, some good, some not so good. My 8th grade reports were on several of Dreiser's novels. In the 10th grade, after two years of high school Russian, I *dared* to read Dr. Zhivago in Russian, and then deliver an oral book report on it in Russian in my Russian class. But I was outdone by a gal who did the same with War and Peace. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? :) |
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On 10/8/09 7:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? :) Tom likes comics and sci-fi, but sci-fi fantasy. Science-based sci-fi is too, well, evolutionary for his tastes. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Oct 8, 6:01*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y * B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? *:) uh=huh Typoing class wan't one of my cravings either. ?;^ Q |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:08:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 8, 6:01*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y * B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? *:) uh=huh Typoing class wan't one of my cravings either. ?;^ Q ROTFL!!! |
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"H the K" wrote in message
m... On 10/8/09 6:43 PM, Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 4:56 pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. If the purpose of the assignment was to promote religion, then it would be promoting religion. If the purpose was to have the students read decent writing and practice writing, then it would not be promoting religion. Of course, the ACLU and other atheists would probably disagree with that. But then again, they would probably applaud the idea of assigning a book report on Mao Zedong's Little Red Book.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, like I said, I would have probably done a report on Hitlers Mein Kampf if it was on the list, the "little red book?" That would have been interesting too. But today anything biblical or any book that might have a reference to biblical scriptures probably wouldn't be available. Some where down the line they've probably been replaced with the works of Kate Chopin. You know, I can't recall one class in public school where there was a reading list of books from which reports had to be made. I recall lots of reports in my classes based upon Dickens' novels and Austen's novels in the 7th grade. Fine reads, but after that the reports came mostly on more esoteric books, some good, some not so good. My 8th grade reports were on several of Dreiser's novels. In the 10th grade, after two years of high school Russian, I *dared* to read Dr. Zhivago in Russian, and then deliver an oral book report on it in Russian in my Russian class. But I was outdone by a gal who did the same with War and Peace. We were mostly assigned books as I recall... don't remember what they were. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? :) Well, I never thought any of those were boring. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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says... "H the K" wrote in message m... On 10/8/09 6:43 PM, Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 4:56 pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? Just curious. If the purpose of the assignment was to promote religion, then it would be promoting religion. If the purpose was to have the students read decent writing and practice writing, then it would not be promoting religion. Of course, the ACLU and other atheists would probably disagree with that. But then again, they would probably applaud the idea of assigning a book report on Mao Zedong's Little Red Book.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, like I said, I would have probably done a report on Hitlers Mein Kampf if it was on the list, the "little red book?" That would have been interesting too. But today anything biblical or any book that might have a reference to biblical scriptures probably wouldn't be available. Some where down the line they've probably been replaced with the works of Kate Chopin. You know, I can't recall one class in public school where there was a reading list of books from which reports had to be made. I recall lots of reports in my classes based upon Dickens' novels and Austen's novels in the 7th grade. Fine reads, but after that the reports came mostly on more esoteric books, some good, some not so good. My 8th grade reports were on several of Dreiser's novels. In the 10th grade, after two years of high school Russian, I *dared* to read Dr. Zhivago in Russian, and then deliver an oral book report on it in Russian in my Russian class. But I was outdone by a gal who did the same with War and Peace. We were mostly assigned books as I recall... don't remember what they were. Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Doesn't he know that nobody but Donnie believes him when he gets going?? WAFA |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk
wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. And about as real. |
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On 10/8/09 9:14 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Tom Francis - wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" Boring. "All Quiet one the Western Front" Even more boring. "Gulliver's Travels" Incredibly boring. "Moby Dick" Ridiculously boring. "The book of Matthew" B O R I N G "Oliver Twist" R E A L L Y B O R I N G. "The Trial" ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Can you tell English Lit wasn't my favorite subject? :) Well, I never thought any of those were boring. Tom's literary choices are more along the lines of Stan Lee comics. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On 10/8/09 9:26 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. And about as real. Half my blood relatives on my father's side were mostly Russian, dip****s. It's the language I heard a lot of and learned at my grandfather's knee when we visited. All I had to do in high school was formalize it. In fact, that's what the gal who did the War & Peace book report did, as she also had a lot of Russian ancestors and relatives. The other half consisted of Germans and Poles and Ukrainians. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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H the K wrote:
On 10/8/09 9:26 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. And about as real. Half my blood relatives on my father's side were mostly Russian, dip****s. And the bloodline continues. They would have been soooo proud. |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. --Vic |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) |
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On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ... On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I hate to admit it, but I really like Coors Light, but only when it's really hot outside. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:25:11 -0400, Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" As long as the teacher understands the report might not be positive and that the reporter may point out incongruities in the story line and historic inaccuracies, where is the problem? The problem is that I am sure that "the teacher" wouldn't allow such criticism of the other works... But I know, it's Christianity so it's ok to just trash it and forget the content.... pffffttt... I wrote a lot of cynical book reports. At least they knew I read the book and perhaps even tried to understand what they were trying to tell me in a real world context. I did one in college. I forget the book. The report was a couple of dozen pages or so. The prof gave me a B- because it was "so negative." I complained, and I pointed out that everything I wrote was supported by logical points. He revised the grade to a B+. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28?pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. ?Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. ?We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. ?:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! No accounting for tastes, but those have done good by me. Never liked Bud or Sam Adams, but many do. On that Coors Tom mentioned, he's exactly right. Went I left Oregon in '72 to come home I picked up a couple cases of Coors for my BIL, who had mentioned wanting to try it. Couldn't get it in Chicago. Never wanted any more after tasting my first can - not that I wasted the six-pack - and never hesitated about leaving those cases on his doorstep. Another case of the "grass is greener" I suspect. Only beer I turn my nose up at and absolutely won't drink is those Lite abominations. Sacrilege. Just something wrong about that. It's sick. All that diet stuff is crap. Better to just rein back those carts of food going in your mouth than to eat bad stuff. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....BUTTER. --Vic |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:40:14 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I wrote a lot of cynical book reports. At least they knew I read the book and perhaps even tried to understand what they were trying to tell me in a real world context. My problem with English Lit is that I never saw what others saw - meaning that I never "grokked" it in the same way. I will admit I was confused by that until I figured out why. Everybody else was using Cliff Notes. :) My favorite story about Eng. Lit. was when we had to read some Maya Angelou - couple of pieces over the weekend for Monday morning discussion. I had been at odds with the professor more than once, but we had a relatively cordial relationship. That Monday morning, the first thing he asked was "Mr. Francis - care to tell us what you thought?" To which I replied "if she's a poet, I'm the King of Siam." You could have heard a pin drop in that room. :) Oddly, I got out of that class with an A - apparently the professor liked contrarian opinions. :) The guy who taught our english lit used to try to trap "cliff notes" and classic comic book guys by looking for things in your report that didn't make the cheater. Even if I couldn't actually wade through some of these door stops I would skim them looking for off the wall stuff I could dispute, using my European or ancient history books. It always threw him off so bad he just gave up and gave me a good grade. That was also the guy who would just ask if anyone wanted to leave after you turned in your work and got the next assignment. About 20-30% split right then and the rest sat around blathering about the real meaning of Beowulf or something. The back steps were right behind his classroom and there was a place across the alley (at 18th and F NW) that would sell me a beer. Loved Beowulf. But that was because out Eng 4 teacher in HS was great. She did a reading of Beowulf with added sound effects, etc. Better than any of the POS Beowulf movies. Then we discussed the book and the culture of mead houses. But I go along with shortwave. Lots of the books I read in Eng Lit were Boooring. I like good Sci-Fi and good history. To this day Shakespeare's Mid summer nights dream, is still a nightmare. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. Coors was always available where I lived and could never understand the draw. But I never drank much beer, as most of the American ones gave me a headache. In Sydney, AU in business, an old guy pointed at my beer, Tooth's Old, an amber beer and said that is good, Tooth's New would give you a headache. Tooths new looked like Coors, or most other American Beers. |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:39:07 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: Guess many students were just picking up hours and had no real interest. As far as English Lit goes, that was my approach. Common ground and herd instinct doesn't interest me. |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. :) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. |
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:25:11 -0400, Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" As long as the teacher understands the report might not be positive and that the reporter may point out incongruities in the story line and historic inaccuracies, where is the problem? The problem is that I am sure that "the teacher" wouldn't allow such criticism of the other works... But I know, it's Christianity so it's ok to just trash it and forget the content.... pffffttt... The *other* books on the list are works of fiction, and in works of fiction, historical inaccuracies might not be such a big deal. The books in the so-called New Testament are supposed to be factual, so inaccuracies matter. Thus, Scott Ingersoll once again proves he is dumber than a rotting wood post. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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