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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:51:50 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:40:14 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I wrote a lot of cynical book reports. At least they knew I read the book and perhaps even tried to understand what they were trying to tell me in a real world context. My problem with English Lit is that I never saw what others saw - meaning that I never "grokked" it in the same way. I will admit I was confused by that until I figured out why. Everybody else was using Cliff Notes. :) My favorite story about Eng. Lit. was when we had to read some Maya Angelou - couple of pieces over the weekend for Monday morning discussion. I had been at odds with the professor more than once, but we had a relatively cordial relationship. That Monday morning, the first thing he asked was "Mr. Francis - care to tell us what you thought?" To which I replied "if she's a poet, I'm the King of Siam." You could have heard a pin drop in that room. :) Oddly, I got out of that class with an A - apparently the professor liked contrarian opinions. :) The guy who taught our english lit used to try to trap "cliff notes" and classic comic book guys by looking for things in your report that didn't make the cheater. Even if I couldn't actually wade through some of these door stops I would skim them looking for off the wall stuff I could dispute, using my European or ancient history books. It always threw him off so bad he just gave up and gave me a good grade. That was also the guy who would just ask if anyone wanted to leave after you turned in your work and got the next assignment. About 20-30% split right then and the rest sat around blathering about the real meaning of Beowulf or something. The back steps were right behind his classroom and there was a place across the alley (at 18th and F NW) that would sell me a beer. Loved Beowulf. But that was because out Eng 4 teacher in HS was great. She did a reading of Beowulf with added sound effects, etc. Better than any of the POS Beowulf movies. Then we discussed the book and the culture of mead houses. But I go along with shortwave. Lots of the books I read in Eng Lit were Boooring. I like good Sci-Fi and good history. Me too. My undergraduate minors are Medieval French History and Art History. Go figure. :) To this day Shakespeare's Mid summer nights dream, is still a nightmare. Tell me about it. :) |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:25:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
I could drink my share of Coors back in the day. Of course when I quit, there wasn't a lot of choice unless it was a regional beer - the home brew and "micro" brew industries were in their nascent stages back then. You know, in the 40s, 50s, and even the early 60s, there were many, many, regional\local beers. Hell, Pennsylvania probably had 50 or more breweries. This micro brew phenomenon just adds $$cache$$ to the old ways. |
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On Oct 9, 5:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. *:) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. .....Around here, it was Blatz, Schlitz, Drewery's, Hamms, Bud, PBR, Busch, Miller, Stagg, Little Kings, Heilmann's Old Style, Heineken, Old Millwaukeee, Strohs, colt 45 Malt There's more but that's about all I can think about in a minute.. |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:09:14 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:25:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: I could drink my share of Coors back in the day. Of course when I quit, there wasn't a lot of choice unless it was a regional beer - the home brew and "micro" brew industries were in their nascent stages back then. You know, in the 40s, 50s, and even the early 60s, there were many, many, regional\local beers. Hell, Pennsylvania probably had 50 or more breweries. This micro brew phenomenon just adds $$cache$$ to the old ways. Well, you're probably right my friend. Those days were kind of a purple haze for me. :) My "dark period" was truly dark. :) |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 9, 5:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. *:) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. ....Around here, it was Blatz, Schlitz, Drewery's, Hamms, Bud, PBR, Busch, Miller, Stagg, Little Kings, Heilmann's Old Style, Heineken, Old Millwaukeee, Strohs, colt 45 Malt There's more but that's about all I can think about in a minute.. Blatz - now there's a name for beer. :) It just goes to show you how much I've forgotten - hell, it's been 32 years or thereabouts. :) |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. |
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On Oct 9, 7:12*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 9, 5:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.".. Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. *:) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. ....Around here, it was Blatz, Schlitz, Drewery's, Hamms, Bud, PBR, Busch, Miller, Stagg, Little Kings, Heilmann's Old Style, Heineken, Old Millwaukeee, Strohs, *colt 45 Malt There's more but that's about all I can think about in a minute.. Blatz - now there's a name for beer. *:) Yes, and the *end result* was pronounced the same... Schlitz? speaks for itself/ |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. |
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H the K wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:25:11 -0400, Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" As long as the teacher understands the report might not be positive and that the reporter may point out incongruities in the story line and historic inaccuracies, where is the problem? The problem is that I am sure that "the teacher" wouldn't allow such criticism of the other works... But I know, it's Christianity so it's ok to just trash it and forget the content.... pffffttt... The *other* books on the list are works of fiction, and in works of fiction, historical inaccuracies might not be such a big deal. The books in the so-called New Testament are supposed to be factual, so inaccuracies matter. Thus, Scott Ingersoll once again proves he is dumber than a rotting wood post. You should know. When's your book, "Conversations with Stumpy", coming out? |
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On 10/9/09 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:39:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 8, 9:15 am, wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. That is a rather complex question. Would we be describing the reading assignment as a selection of one out of seven fictional books? Or, can you choose the non fiction book versus one of the six novels..... On the face of it, given that there are choices, it would seem to be acceptable. However, I would cry fowl on the basis that the class is *English Literature* which, by definition, are those texts written in English. If we are going to offer everything translated into English as fair game, we might as well just change the course title and syllabus to World Literature. Given the course title, if the teacher is compelled to offer some sort of link to a religious text, I think the Book of Common Prayer would be more appropriate. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. Would this be considered as promoting religion? Probably, due to the limitations of choice. Christianity is a religion developed from Judaism, all of which developed in the Middle East, a region that spans southwestern Asia, southeastern Europe, and northeastern Africa.... and as far as I can tell really has little to do with "English Literature" either geographically, culturally, linguistically, philosophically, etc. Thus, why offering a Christian text as an acceptable "English Text" without also including the (surely translated) Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Confucianism, Shinto, etc., etc. texts.... without even an honorable mention to Classical Paganism which WAS the original English Religious Literature.... is a bit cloudy. AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? I doubt that it could be, in this context. Authorship/Style? Nobody knows who wrote the Book of Matthew and one can't really discuss Matthew without inclusion of the other three gospels, most notably Mark (and the non-extant Quelle source), from which the Book of Matthew was plagiarized. So, what are you going to ask the students to *do* with that text in an English Literature course? -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - First off, it wasn't a "bible study", Gene. and it wasn't to be such. It was like any other book report. to give an over all critique of what the author was trying to convey. And honestly, I really don't rememebr what I wrte about. that was in 1972 and I dont' have the paper. No one *had* to chose the Matthew account. I didn't suggest in ANY way that it WAS Bible study and I noted that there WAS a choice. Now, address the point..... what has The Bible got to do with ENGLISH Literature.... The study of Literature should or could encompass the following points: 1. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture. 2. Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value. 3. The art or occupation of a literary writer. 4. The body of written work produced by scholars or researchers in a given field: medical literature. 5. Printed material: collected all the available literature on the subject. 6. Music. All the compositions of a certain kind or for a specific instrument or ensemble: the symphonic literature. I attempted to address some of these items to show why the Bible was not an English text. How would you address the matter, today.... in the context of English Literature. The fact of the matter is YOU CAN'T, because the Bible is NOT English Literature. It had no more right or reason to be included in that book list than Les Miserables, Der Steppenwolf, or Amori di Venere or any of the translations of same. If you discount the religious aspect, the fact remains: the book JUST DOESN'T BELONG in that group of required reading. Robert Lowell, who held a precursor Poet Laureate post at the LC in the 1940s, taught a class called "The King James Bible as English Literature." I took a similarly titled course while pursuing my master's in English. The KJ bible is a magnificent work in the English language, and many serious students of English lit consider it English lit. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:02:03 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. Don, most of us don't get a big charge out of discussing the bad times we had. And all of us have some good, or at least humorous, stories about the war - even the 'real soldiers' to whom you refer. And I'll be the first to admit that a lot of folks, including my brother and some right here, had it a hell of a lot worse than I did. Luckily, I was a Combat Engineer, not an Infantryman. Have you given some thought to the cessation of personal insults and name-calling? |
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On Oct 9, 8:38*am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 9:15*am, Gene wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Well maybe not. But seeing the creation, religion,evolution thread is getting so long, I thought I'd ask a hypothetical question. Well maybe it's not as hypothetical , but here goes. If an English lit teacher was passing out assignments assignments for students to give a book report. *Various books are chosen, some long , some short. OK, the list has several *options* None are specifically required. Here's a sample list: "To Kill a Mockingbird" "All Quiet one the Western Front" "Gulliver's Travels" "Moby Dick" "The book of Matthew" "Oliver Twist" "The Trial" etc, etc. That is a rather complex question. Would we be describing the reading assignment as a selection of one out of seven fictional books? Or, can you choose the non fiction book versus one of the six novels..... On the face of it, given that there are choices, it would seem to be acceptable. However, I would cry fowl on the basis that the class is *English Literature* which, by definition, are those texts written in English. If we are going to offer everything translated into English as fair game, we might as well just change the course title and syllabus to World Literature. Given the course title, if the teacher is compelled to offer some sort of link to a religious text, I think the Book of Common Prayer would be more appropriate. Notice included is the Gospel account of Matthew. *Would this be considered as promoting religion? Probably, due to the limitations of choice. Christianity is a religion developed from Judaism, all of which developed in the Middle East, a region that spans southwestern Asia, southeastern Europe, and northeastern Africa.... and as far as I can tell really has little to do with "English Literature" either geographically, culturally, linguistically, philosophically, etc. Thus, why offering a Christian text as an acceptable "English Text" without also including the (surely translated) Jewish, Buddhist, Mormon, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Confucianism, Shinto, etc., etc. texts.... without even an honorable mention to Classical Paganism which WAS the original English Religious Literature.... is a bit cloudy. AND! Even if it was required reading. could it be used for literary purposes only? I doubt that it could be, in this context. Authorship/Style? Nobody knows who wrote the Book of Matthew and one can't really discuss Matthew without inclusion of the other three gospels, most notably Mark (and the non-extant Quelle source), from which the Book of Matthew was plagiarized. So, what are you going to ask the students to *do* with that text in an English Literature course? -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - First off, it wasn't a "bible study", Gene. and it wasn't to be such. It was like any other book report. to give an over all critique of what the author was trying to *convey. And honestly, I really don't rememebr what I wrte about. that was in 1972 and I dont' have the paper. No one *had* to chose the Matthew account. I didn't suggest in ANY way that it WAS Bible study and I noted that there WAS a choice. Now, address the point..... what has The Bible got to do with ENGLISH Literature.... The study of Literature should or could encompass the following points: * *1. *The body of written works of a language, period, or culture. * *2. Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value. * *3. The art or occupation of a literary writer. * *4. The body of written work produced by scholars or researchers in a given field: medical literature. * *5. Printed material: collected all the available literature on the subject. * *6. Music. All the compositions of a certain kind or for a specific instrument or ensemble: the symphonic literature. I attempted to address some of these items to show why the Bible was not an English text. How would you address the matter, today.... in the context of English Literature. The fact of the matter is YOU CAN'T, because the Bible is NOT English Literature. It had no more right or reason to be included in that book list than Les Miserables, Der Steppenwolf, or Amori di Venere or any of the translations of same. If you discount the religious aspect, the fact remains: the book JUST DOESN'T BELONG in that group of required reading. -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's jsut it, Gene, it wasn't required. it was an option like the others. And we discussed many other things in English Lit than just English Lit |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:29:05 -0400, Gene
wrote: Serious students of cuisine can consider a chilidog as part of the American Kennel Club, Nice. I like it! |
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Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. How does that make you feel Donny. Your friends and neighbors went to war for you and some didn't come back. |
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On 10/9/09 10:29 AM, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:49:29 -0400, H the K wrote: Robert Lowell, who held a precursor Poet Laureate post at the LC in the 1940s, taught a class called "The King James Bible as English Literature." I took a similarly titled course while pursuing my master's in English. The KJ bible is a magnificent work in the English language, and many serious students of English lit consider it English lit. You can "consider" anything you want, but English Literature is defined as: Literature written in English since c.1450 by the inhabitants of the British Isles. or English literature refers to literature written in the English language, including literature composed in English by writers not necessarily from England..... Serious students of cuisine can consider a chilidog as part of the American Kennel Club, but that doesn't make it so..... that's one big reason we don't let *students* make those decisions..... Most scholars of English lit would include the KJ bible. Even wiki does, under the header, English Literatu "The King James Bible, one of the most massive translation projects in the history of English up to this time, was started in 1604 and completed in 1611. It represents the culmination of a tradition of Bible translation into English that began with the work of William Tyndale. It became the standard Bible of the Church of England, and some consider it one of the greatest literary works of all time. This project was headed by James I himself, who supervised the work of forty-seven scholars. Although many other translations into English have been made, some of which are widely considered more accurate, many aesthetically prefer the King James Bible, whose meter is made to mimic the original Hebrew verse." "...one of the greatest literary works of all time." And it is in English. Therefore, it is English literature. I studied Rouse's of Homer's Odyssey and Iliad. For many, Rouse's work is considered a landmark of *English* literature, even though his prose is based upon translations from the Greek. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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John H wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:02:03 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. Don, most of us don't get a big charge out of discussing the bad times we had. And all of us have some good, or at least humorous, stories about the war - even the 'real soldiers' to whom you refer. And I'll be the first to admit that a lot of folks, including my brother and some right here, had it a hell of a lot worse than I did. Luckily, I was a Combat Engineer, not an Infantryman. Have you given some thought to the cessation of personal insults and name-calling? His partner won't let him. That would break up the act. |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 9, 7:12*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 9, 5:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. *Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. *We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. *:) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. ....Around here, it was Blatz, Schlitz, Drewery's, Hamms, Bud, PBR, Busch, Miller, Stagg, Little Kings, Heilmann's Old Style, Heineken, Old Millwaukeee, Strohs, *colt 45 Malt There's more but that's about all I can think about in a minute.. Blatz - now there's a name for beer. *:) Yes, and the *end result* was pronounced the same... ROTFL!! Schlitz? speaks for itself/ Another oldie but goodie. |
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On Oct 9, 8:49*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:02:03 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. *:) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? *Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? *:) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. Don, most of us don't get a big charge out of discussing the bad times we had. And all of us have some good, or at least humorous, stories about the war - even the 'real soldiers' to whom you refer. Yeah. My dad was baptized with fire and all he would ever talk about was the good. the fun. |
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On 10/9/09 10:58 AM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 9, 7:12 am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 9, 5:21 am, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:54 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:26:03 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:20:49 -0400, Tosk wrote: Funny, as soon as I started to read the above paragraph I knew it was our WAFA spinning his tales again... Add speaks Russian - probably in French - to the list of accomplishments. He is truly the most interesting man in the world. Heh heh. Timely. Daughters boyfriend, an international gadabout, left a couple Coronas in the fridge while I was on vacation. I passed, and grabbed a bottle of Harnas, "Of Polish Highlanders.". Don't know how interesting I am, but drinking Polish hillbilly beer should help that, along with my BAC. True story. We had a get together here a couple of years ago - Mrs. Wave collegues, some of mine and a few oher friends and neighbors. So I went out to buy beer. Now you have to understand that when I quit, over 30 years ago, there wasn't much choice for beer - in fact, the height of American beer snobbery was Coors - which you couldn't get on the East Coast at the time. Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nest time go straight Old Milwaukee. or Strohs. There won't be any beer left! Oh beers - just got me to thinking. Ballantine XXX (rat pee), Narragansett, Carling's (Mabel - Black Label), Schaefer (the one beer to have when you're having more than one - always thought that was a bit odd for a slogan), JAX, Falstaff and of course the worst beer in the world that's actually good after a while - Dixie. :) Oh - thought of another one - Hamm's - The beer - refreshing. I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. ....Around here, it was Blatz, Schlitz, Drewery's, Hamms, Bud, PBR, Busch, Miller, Stagg, Little Kings, Heilmann's Old Style, Heineken, Old Millwaukeee, Strohs, colt 45 Malt There's more but that's about all I can think about in a minute.. Blatz - now there's a name for beer. :) Yes, and the *end result* was pronounced the same... ROTFL!! Schlitz? speaks for itself/ Another oldie but goodie. Piels...just another ****y American beer, but fabulous commercials. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26HtmV0DmRU and B&R in street clothes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANGnBFRLuc -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:15:05 -0400, John H
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. Ah yes - the military barter system. Next time we get together, we'll have to swap stories about First Shirts and swapping for beer, steaks and potatoes. Our guy actually managed to get real country eggs flowen in for a steak and egg breakfast one time. :) Still don't know how he did that one. I did one myself once - courtesy of my Dad who worked a deal with some big cheese at Polaroid who had a son in my company. And we had a kid whose Dad ran a seafood company out of Galveston, TX. Oh the stories. :) |
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On 10/9/09 11:09 AM, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:40:02 -0400, H the K wrote: ne of the most massive translation projects in the history of English up to this time translation...... TRANSLATION...... Frickin' TRANSLATION!!!! What's next on the English Lit list.... Hell, we've got Bablefish,. it is ALL English Lit!!!! The KJ bible is a bit more than a "translation," as I am sure you well know. But it is a translation. :) -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:02:03 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. That's totally uncalled for Don. A lot of us who were in the jungle getting shot at have some great stories and even with all the crap we went through, had some great times and made some long time wonderful friends. Great, humorous and funny stories are not the provence of REMFs - the front line guys had their own fun too. |
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On 10/9/09 11:08 AM, Tosk wrote:
Real soldiers don't talk about war... Obviously, you've never heard of James Jones, who talked quite a bit about war in From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones was a real soldier. You really are a short little ignorant ****. |
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On 10/9/09 11:28 AM, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:33:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And we discussed many other things in English Lit than just English Lit Well, then, what you had was some sort of Socratic Dialog or Seminar, not an organized class. A proper class has an approved syllabus and the instructor sticks with that syllabus to make sure the course objectives are met. A class entitled one thing in which all things are taught is just a free-for-all.... usually driven by the personal whims and interests of the teacher. This is the equivalent of education by ADD........ Uh, I disagree. In the 7th and 8th grade, when we were discussing Dickens in English class, we also discussed the society in which the novels were set, and some of the reasons why Dickens chose the subjects he did. I'm sure we stuck with the teaching plan by doing so. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:55:03 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:37:13 -0400, H the K wrote: On 10/9/09 11:28 AM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:33:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: And we discussed many other things in English Lit than just English Lit Well, then, what you had was some sort of Socratic Dialog or Seminar, not an organized class. A proper class has an approved syllabus and the instructor sticks with that syllabus to make sure the course objectives are met. A class entitled one thing in which all things are taught is just a free-for-all.... usually driven by the personal whims and interests of the teacher. This is the equivalent of education by ADD........ Uh, I disagree. In the 7th and 8th grade, when we were discussing Dickens in English class, we also discussed the society in which the novels were set, and some of the reasons why Dickens chose the subjects he did. I'm sure we stuck with the teaching plan by doing so. Uh.... no, we don't disagree and the teaching plan likely included the social conditions of the novel. As I posted earlier: "The study of Literature should or could encompass the following points: 1. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture. 2. ........" thus, "the society" is fair game. Reading NON-English Literature in English Lit is NOT fair game and, certainly, "And we discussed many other things in English Lit than just English Lit" is just hosed. Put another way..... in FRENCH Lit..... it would be perfectly reasonable to study Les Miserables, which "examines the nature of law and grace, and expounds upon the history of France, architecture of Paris, politics, moral philosophy, antimonarchism, justice, religion, and the types and nature of romantic and familial love." It would be fair to, then, discuss any of those other topics, including religion in the context of Les Miserables. It would NOT be reasonable to study Beowulf, The Bible, or the Zuo Zhuan as French Literature..... because they just aren't. One would have to wonder if Dryden's translations would not merit study in an English Lit class. Literary translation cannot be weighed as having literary value for the recipient language? -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:09:26 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:15:05 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. Ah yes - the military barter system. Next time we get together, we'll have to swap stories about First Shirts and swapping for beer, steaks and potatoes. Our guy actually managed to get real country eggs flowen in for a steak and egg breakfast one time. :) Still don't know how he did that one. I did one myself once - courtesy of my Dad who worked a deal with some big cheese at Polaroid who had a son in my company. And we had a kid whose Dad ran a seafood company out of Galveston, TX. Oh the stories. :) I could tell you about the combat-lossed immersion heater that got swapped to the Air Force guys for my three-hour ride in an OV-10A Bronco, but then I'd have to shoot you. First Sergeants make the world go around. And Platoon Sergeants (your Gunnies). They always kept me out of trouble. The greatest words on earth were, "Lieutenant, don't worry about it, I'll take care of it." And they always did, no matter what the problem. |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:29:05 -0400, Gene
wrote: Serious students of cuisine can consider a chilidog as part of the American Kennel Club, but that doesn't make it so..... that's one big reason we don't let *students* make those decisions..... That is funny... :-) |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:21:20 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: I need to do some research on that - there's got to be a website with old regional beers I don't remember. Don't forget Utica Club, quite possibly one of the worst beers ever made. It used to sell for about 90 cents a six pack in the early 60s. |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I could drink my share of Coors back in the day. Of course when I quit, there wasn't a lot of choice unless it was a regional beer - the home brew and "micro" brew industries were in their nascent stages back then. I still think back to Dixie though - the single most god awfull beer ever brewed, but for some reason it went good with boiled crawdads and shrimp - boiled in Zattaran's of course. It also tasted good cold out in the Gulf fishing. :) You never must have drunk Brew 102. Most likely worse than Dixie. The old Falstaff brewery in San Francisco would put the partial fill cans in dumpster out back. You would watch the wino's line up a bunch and open them. Then proceed to drink a full beer's worth. Interesting what you saw working nights. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. How does that make you feel Donny. Your friends and neighbors went to war for you and some didn't come back. Went to war for me?? I don't recall asking anyone to do such a thing. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:10:34 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:51:23 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:26:51 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:28:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Anyway, I went out and bought a case of Sam Adams lager, case of Bud and a case of Pabst Red, White and Blue. I had half a case of Sam, 3/4 case of Bud and the Pabst was gone. Go figure. :) I am drinking PBR these days. I have trouble finding regular Coors in a bottle, my other choice. I used to always drink Bud but I just lost the taste for it and I don't like the heavy beers. I drink Busch if I can't find PBR or Coors. I drink lots of water, and have been doing so for 22 years. Water's not bad, but it's not a hot conversation topic. It doesn't get much of a head, and is usually pretty clear. You must have had some of that crap they had from the Phillipines in SEA. San Miguel I think it was called? Had to strain it before you drank it to get the crunchy bits out? :) Well, yes. Actually I'd drink about anything that had an alcohol content. Luckily, I had an Engineer company with dump trucks and a First Sergeant who was a wheeler-dealer, and a Post Exchange at Cu Chi that was always needing laterite for its swampy parking lot. So we always had free beer and enough steaks for a Friday cookout. Times were good. For you maybe...while the real soldiers were out crawling through the jungle getting shot at. They were all real soldiers. Even those of us who never saw combat. We all had the possibility of going there. Some just got a better gig. Now you who worked at a crappy job you hated for 30 years or so, is an example of **** poor choices. |
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"H K" wrote in message ... On 10/9/09 11:08 AM, Tosk wrote: Real soldiers don't talk about war... Obviously, you've never heard of James Jones, who talked quite a bit about war in From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones was a real soldier. You really are a short little ignorant ****. Most all shooters say very little. My favorite uncle spent the whole war in the South Pacific as a shooter. He said maybe 5 comments on the war in all the years I knew him until he died. couple Bronze stars, Oak Leaf Clusters, 5 purple hearts. |
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