On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:25:12 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/7/09 3:51 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 10/7/09 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:11:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the
middle
of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't think I
would
be able to take more than one shot, since it would like to knock me
on
my
butt. My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.


"Youth Model," funny. Did it come with a bible?


? You never heard of that? It's for women or smaller people. Look it
up.

You really should go shoot it and get used to the proper way to hold
it. It will NOT knock you on your butt.
We had lots of ladies on the skeet league I was on and they all shot
12 gauge.
Skeet is an excellent shooting sport if you have a facility nearby and
they usually have certified instructors there who will teach you
everything you need to know about safe shooting and the game in
general.


What? Shoot defenseless skeet?

Are you unaware of the good work done by the Save the Skeets Foundation?

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Skeets/

Seriously, the Rem 870 20 gauge youth model (i'm guessing here) is a
fine
shotgun, and "Ms. Nom" ought to learn to fire it safely. There's not
that
much kick, and if it is troublesome, a pad can be installed.


It's Em. I was not completely serious about it actually knocking me down,
but I don't think I'd be in much control after the first shot.


A 20-gauge doesn't have a lot of kick, not even to a woman who doesn't
weigh much.


Yup...not much kick from my 20 ga.
We used to like holding the 12 ga shotguns at hip level and blast off
whatever it was capable of holding. (just like in the movies)


A 20 ga. is a great gun for rabbit hunting, but my dad always made me
use a .22. Got lots of rabbits with it though. My grandfather gave me
a 20 ga. while in high school, and I got a lot of rabbits with it.

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/7/09 5:32 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 10/7/09 4:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 10/7/09 3:51 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 10/7/09 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:11:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the
middle
of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't
think
I
would
be able to take more than one shot, since it would like to knock
me
on
my
butt. My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.


"Youth Model," funny. Did it come with a bible?


? You never heard of that? It's for women or smaller people. Look
it
up.

You really should go shoot it and get used to the proper way to
hold
it. It will NOT knock you on your butt.
We had lots of ladies on the skeet league I was on and they all
shot
12 gauge.
Skeet is an excellent shooting sport if you have a facility nearby
and
they usually have certified instructors there who will teach you
everything you need to know about safe shooting and the game in
general.


What? Shoot defenseless skeet?

Are you unaware of the good work done by the Save the Skeets
Foundation?

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Skeets/

Seriously, the Rem 870 20 gauge youth model (i'm guessing here) is a
fine
shotgun, and "Ms. Nom" ought to learn to fire it safely. There's not
that
much kick, and if it is troublesome, a pad can be installed.


It's Em. I was not completely serious about it actually knocking me
down,
but I don't think I'd be in much control after the first shot.


A 20-gauge doesn't have a lot of kick, not even to a woman who doesn't
weigh much.


Sure seemed like a lot to me when I tried it at a range. It didn't
hurt,
but
it sure pushed me back.


Then you might not have been "shouldering" it properly.

Take a look at this video...ignore the awful music and the weird looking
dudes.

Remember, near the beginning, the instructor tells the woman to lean
into
it...

Sometimes women (and men, too) have a rough time shooting a semi-auto
pistol...the pistol doesn't seem to cycle properly and jams. Usually the
cause is that they've limp-wristed the pistol. That means that they are
not pushing against the pistol with the stretch of hand between the
thumb
and pointer finger on the shooting hand. You need a tight grip on the
pistol so you can push back a bit on the recoil. The pistol needs that
resistance.


Video?

You know we're talking about a shotgun right? I've fired a handgun
before.
It didn't seem to be a problem...


This video...on shooting a shotgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSVr0eJ_aA



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All


Ok... interesting. She doesn't lean as far forward as I did and didn't go
back as far as I did.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/7/09 5:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:59:09 -0400, wrote:

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On Oct 6, 6:56 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, wrote:
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
ha...watch the fat pig discuss health care in america...too
funny......
it's a wonder he is still around......

Just like in "Roger and Me," where he told us of GM's impending
challenges, the "fat pig" might have a point to make on health care.

He made quite a few in "Sicko," but you would have to get past the
name
calling to take a look at it to see what that point might be.

I'll give you a clue:
The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life
expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

You have to get over your bias towards new information to accept
that
France, or any number of other countries, might be a place we can
learn
from.

Watching out Health Care "debate" makes me wonder about how we can
expect to ever be #1 at anything when there are so many people
willing
to accept outright lies as fact, and make their choices based upon
false
info that fits their predisposed leanings.

Name calling is so much easier for the mentally challenged. And it
works so well.

I wonder how many illegal aliens are adding to the bad statistics in
France? I wonder how many of France's deaths are caused by inner city
shootings and knifings? Just wondering.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

so you're arguing for gun control?

i agree. let's ban guns


Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the middle
of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't think I
would be
able to take more than one shot, since it would like to knock me on my
butt.
My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.

You are Harry's sister. Or his feminine id.


Actually, a few of us think she's really Harry - exercising his
'feminine side', so to speak.


Perhaps a few of you are just plain ignorant or have a strange fixation
with
Harry... since you've plonked me, I guess we'll never know.



A bunch of the righties here *are* ignorant, irrational, and fixated.
Herring, floridajim, justhate, et cetera, have very little to offer here
but hate.


I just find it really illustrative that he and at least one other person
plonked me for basically nothing. Certainly nothing compared to what they
themselves have said (not just about me but anyone)...

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 10/7/09 6:25 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
m...
On 10/7/09 5:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:59:09 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

wrote in message
...
On Oct 6, 6:56 pm, John wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, wrote:
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
ha...watch the fat pig discuss health care in america...too
funny......
it's a wonder he is still around......

Just like in "Roger and Me," where he told us of GM's impending
challenges, the "fat pig" might have a point to make on health care.

He made quite a few in "Sicko," but you would have to get past the
name
calling to take a look at it to see what that point might be.

I'll give you a clue:
The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life
expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

You have to get over your bias towards new information to accept
that
France, or any number of other countries, might be a place we can
learn
from.

Watching out Health Care "debate" makes me wonder about how we can
expect to ever be #1 at anything when there are so many people
willing
to accept outright lies as fact, and make their choices based upon
false
info that fits their predisposed leanings.

Name calling is so much easier for the mentally challenged. And it
works so well.

I wonder how many illegal aliens are adding to the bad statistics in
France? I wonder how many of France's deaths are caused by inner city
shootings and knifings? Just wondering.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

so you're arguing for gun control?

i agree. let's ban guns


Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the middle
of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't think I
would be
able to take more than one shot, since it would like to knock me on my
butt.
My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.

You are Harry's sister. Or his feminine id.


Actually, a few of us think she's really Harry - exercising his
'feminine side', so to speak.


Perhaps a few of you are just plain ignorant or have a strange fixation
with
Harry... since you've plonked me, I guess we'll never know.



A bunch of the righties here *are* ignorant, irrational, and fixated.
Herring, floridajim, justhate, et cetera, have very little to offer here
but hate.


I just find it really illustrative that he and at least one other person
plonked me for basically nothing. Certainly nothing compared to what they
themselves have said (not just about me but anyone)...



I wouldn't worry about it. All of them together are worth less than one
non-refundable soft drink bottle. Without question, the three I
mentioned by name are among the dumbest posters one might encounter on
usenet. Their opinions do not matter.



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/7/09 5:32 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 10/7/09 4:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 10/7/09 3:51 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
m...
On 10/7/09 2:07 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:11:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
news

Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the
middle
of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't
think
I
would
be able to take more than one shot, since it would like to
knock
me
on
my
butt. My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.


"Youth Model," funny. Did it come with a bible?


? You never heard of that? It's for women or smaller people. Look
it
up.

You really should go shoot it and get used to the proper way to
hold
it. It will NOT knock you on your butt.
We had lots of ladies on the skeet league I was on and they all
shot
12 gauge.
Skeet is an excellent shooting sport if you have a facility nearby
and
they usually have certified instructors there who will teach you
everything you need to know about safe shooting and the game in
general.


What? Shoot defenseless skeet?

Are you unaware of the good work done by the Save the Skeets
Foundation?

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Skeets/

Seriously, the Rem 870 20 gauge youth model (i'm guessing here) is
a
fine
shotgun, and "Ms. Nom" ought to learn to fire it safely. There's
not
that
much kick, and if it is troublesome, a pad can be installed.


It's Em. I was not completely serious about it actually knocking me
down,
but I don't think I'd be in much control after the first shot.


A 20-gauge doesn't have a lot of kick, not even to a woman who
doesn't
weigh much.


Sure seemed like a lot to me when I tried it at a range. It didn't
hurt,
but
it sure pushed me back.


Then you might not have been "shouldering" it properly.

Take a look at this video...ignore the awful music and the weird
looking
dudes.

Remember, near the beginning, the instructor tells the woman to lean
into
it...

Sometimes women (and men, too) have a rough time shooting a semi-auto
pistol...the pistol doesn't seem to cycle properly and jams. Usually
the
cause is that they've limp-wristed the pistol. That means that they are
not pushing against the pistol with the stretch of hand between the
thumb
and pointer finger on the shooting hand. You need a tight grip on the
pistol so you can push back a bit on the recoil. The pistol needs that
resistance.


Video?

You know we're talking about a shotgun right? I've fired a handgun
before.
It didn't seem to be a problem...


This video...on shooting a shotgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSVr0eJ_aA



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All


Ok... interesting. She doesn't lean as far forward as I did and didn't go
back as far as I did.


It was more like this but it didn't hurt at all. That's about how far it
pushed me back. If i was off-balanced more than I was, i would have ended up
on my butt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FreLFK8WXBg

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:41:16 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



It was more like this but it didn't hurt at all. That's about how far it
pushed me back. If i was off-balanced more than I was, i would have ended
up
on my butt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FreLFK8WXBg

Pays to be careful. I didn't take the right stance/grip once
with a Thompson sub-machine gun.
Put about five rounds in the ceiling. Hope nobody was upstairs.

--Vic

Or, if you're outside, in the next county? lol

--
Nom=de=Plume

Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life
expectancy, or any other measure of health care. France, which has
the #1 rated health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer. Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it
might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.


The government is already involved (regulations and Medicare) and as for
my opinion, the government can do a pretty good job sometimes.

The insurance industry seems to be an unnecessary step in health care.
Why do we expect them to make a profit? What would happen if they
didn't exist?

capitalism is wonderful, but we don't expect the library or the fire
department to make a profit. Maybe health care is a service.

The founder of Craigslist went to talk to Wall Street a couple of years
ago. One of them asked Craig how he intended to "maximize his profit
stream." Craig told them he wasn't going to.

"I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe that is a good model for
a health care system.

Smart man, Craig.

It's the aerospace industry that brought you the $600 toilet seat and
the $300 hammer. Interestingly, carpenters buy titanium hammers for
almost $300 all the time.

Got a link for a $300 titanium hammer?

H the K wrote:
On 10/7/09 8:01 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.
Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.

If you think that $27 Tylenol in the hospitial is expensive just wait
until the government gets a hold of all of the health care.


The "government" limits what it pays to a percentage of C&R, and no one
with a working brain is claiming the government's intent is to "get a
hold of all of the health care."



The government is unsure of their "plan" or lack of...

Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:11:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
news Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the
middle of the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I
don't think I would be able to take more than one shot, since it
would like to knock me on my butt. My granddad got it for me a
couple of years ago.

"Youth Model," funny. Did it come with a bible?

? You never heard of that? It's for women or smaller people. Look it up.

You really should go shoot it and get used to the proper way to hold
it. It will NOT knock you on your butt.
We had lots of ladies on the skeet league I was on and they all shot
12 gauge.
Skeet is an excellent shooting sport if you have a facility nearby and
they usually have certified instructors there who will teach you
everything you need to know about safe shooting and the game in
general.
I heard that a pump has really bad recoil whereas a semi-auto is
relatively civilized. Why do cops prefer pumps?

More dependable.

Don White wrote:

Yup...not much kick from my 20 ga.
We used to like holding the 12 ga shotguns at hip level and blast off
whatever it was capable of holding. (just like in the movies)


Why am I not surprised. Who else do you pretend to be? A smart,
responsible parent?