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On Oct 6, 6:56 pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
ha...watch the fat pig discuss health care in america...too
funny......
it's a wonder he is still around......

Just like in "Roger and Me," where he told us of GM's impending
challenges, the "fat pig" might have a point to make on health care.

He made quite a few in "Sicko," but you would have to get past the name
calling to take a look at it to see what that point might be.

I'll give you a clue:
The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

You have to get over your bias towards new information to accept that
France, or any number of other countries, might be a place we can learn
from.

Watching out Health Care "debate" makes me wonder about how we can
expect to ever be #1 at anything when there are so many people willing
to accept outright lies as fact, and make their choices based upon false
info that fits their predisposed leanings.

Name calling is so much easier for the mentally challenged. And it
works so well.

I wonder how many illegal aliens are adding to the bad statistics in
France? I wonder how many of France's deaths are caused by inner city
shootings and knifings? Just wondering.- Hide quoted text -

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so you're arguing for gun control?

i agree. let's ban guns


Hey, I have a gun. You don't want to break into my place in the middle of
the night. I have a Remingten 20 guage youth model. I don't think I would be
able to take more than one shot, since it would like to knock me on my butt.
My granddad got it for me a couple of years ago.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.
Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.


The government is already involved (regulations and Medicare) and as for
my opinion, the government can do a pretty good job sometimes.

The insurance industry seems to be an unnecessary step in health care.
Why do we expect them to make a profit? What would happen if they
didn't exist?

capitalism is wonderful, but we don't expect the library or the fire
department to make a profit. Maybe health care is a service.

The founder of Craigslist went to talk to Wall Street a couple of years
ago. One of them asked Craig how he intended to "maximize his profit
stream." Craig told them he wasn't going to.

"I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe that is a good model for
a health care system.

Smart man, Craig.

It's the aerospace industry that brought you the $600 toilet seat and
the $300 hammer. Interestingly, carpenters buy titanium hammers for
almost $300 all the time.

Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life
expectancy, or any other measure of health care. France, which has
the #1 rated health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer. Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it
might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.


The government is already involved (regulations and Medicare) and as for
my opinion, the government can do a pretty good job sometimes.

The insurance industry seems to be an unnecessary step in health care.
Why do we expect them to make a profit? What would happen if they
didn't exist?

capitalism is wonderful, but we don't expect the library or the fire
department to make a profit. Maybe health care is a service.

The founder of Craigslist went to talk to Wall Street a couple of years
ago. One of them asked Craig how he intended to "maximize his profit
stream." Craig told them he wasn't going to.

"I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe that is a good model for
a health care system.

Smart man, Craig.

It's the aerospace industry that brought you the $600 toilet seat and
the $300 hammer. Interestingly, carpenters buy titanium hammers for
almost $300 all the time.

Got a link for a $300 titanium hammer?

Roger wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life
expectancy, or any other measure of health care. France, which has
the #1 rated health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer. Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers
it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.


The government is already involved (regulations and Medicare) and as
for my opinion, the government can do a pretty good job sometimes.

The insurance industry seems to be an unnecessary step in health care.
Why do we expect them to make a profit? What would happen if they
didn't exist?

capitalism is wonderful, but we don't expect the library or the fire
department to make a profit. Maybe health care is a service.

The founder of Craigslist went to talk to Wall Street a couple of
years ago. One of them asked Craig how he intended to "maximize his
profit stream." Craig told them he wasn't going to.

"I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe that is a good model
for a health care system.

Smart man, Craig.

It's the aerospace industry that brought you the $600 toilet seat and
the $300 hammer. Interestingly, carpenters buy titanium hammers for
almost $300 all the time.

Got a link for a $300 titanium hammer?

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I wouldn't pick out Medicare as a good example.
They collect 3% of every wage dollar earned in the country, only
provide health care for about 15% of the population and they are going
broke. Their waste and fraud rate is worse than the insurance company
"overhead" we keep hearing about.




Hard to know what to believe. The Republicans have always been opposed
to Social Security and Medicare. Info from that side is, and always
will be, that these programs don't work.

Republicans have been opposed to child labor laws, and worker protection
laws. They have favored poll taxes and I'm sure there are many who
would like to go back to the days of only white male property owners
being able to vote.

By the way, I had a moment of awakening while watching Fox News "What's
the matter with Acorn." I now understand the issue with Acorn.

It's exactly the paragraph above. Acorn gave rights to people who the
Republican's deep down don't believe deserve the same rights and
privileges that the rest enjoy. It's the voter registration drive that
really ****es them off. How DARE them register people who didn't earn
their place in society.

On Oct 7, 11:55*am, Jim wrote:


It's exactly the paragraph above. *Acorn gave rights to people who the
Republican's deep down don't believe deserve the same rights and
privileges that the rest enjoy. *It's the voter registration drive that
really ****es them off. *How DARE them register people who didn't earn
their place in society.

i don't think they've ever really changed their position from the 1957
article william f. buckley wrote extolling the virtues of white
civilization and insisting poll taxes, literacy tests, etc, be used to
screen voters.

On Oct 6, 10:24*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:
The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. *France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

because other countries where the govt is involved have better and
cheaper healthcare. it's something we can actually test


These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.

as opposed to the 50% decline in the stock market in the last year?
the right keeps pretending the free market is perfect. and that ain't
so.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, Jim wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.
Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.

If you think that $27 Tylenol in the hospitial is expensive just wait
until the government gets a hold of all of the health care.

On 10/7/09 8:01 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.
Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.

If you think that $27 Tylenol in the hospitial is expensive just wait
until the government gets a hold of all of the health care.


The "government" limits what it pays to a percentage of C&R, and no one
with a working brain is claiming the government's intent is to "get a
hold of all of the health care."




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

H the K wrote:
On 10/7/09 8:01 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:58 -0700, wrote:

The US is #1 ONLY in how much we pay, we are not #1 in life expectancy,
or any other measure of health care. France, which has the #1 rated
health care system (we are #27) pays half what we pay.

The only question I have is why do you think getting the government
involved will make that any cheaper or better?

These are the same people who bought the $600 toilet seats and the
$300 hammer.
Maybe if you could shoot all the lobbyists and lawyers it might work
but you would still have all those gold bricking congressmen trying to
get more federal bucks into their district.

If you think that $27 Tylenol in the hospitial is expensive just wait
until the government gets a hold of all of the health care.


The "government" limits what it pays to a percentage of C&R, and no one
with a working brain is claiming the government's intent is to "get a
hold of all of the health care."



The government is unsure of their "plan" or lack of...