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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That
translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half
to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about
fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper
than the old cars.

In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of
getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands
now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future?
Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution.

Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner?
Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is
all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving?
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.


I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'.

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says...

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built)
That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe
half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking
about fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle
cheaper than the old cars.

I just bought a Nissan Versa with a 1.6L engine. It is getting better
than 32 MPG around town with A/C and will get potentially greater than
40 MPG on the highway.

I can purchase gas for $2.39 per gallon locally.

I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They
are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly.

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:37:30 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built)
That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe
half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking
about fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle
cheaper than the old cars.

I just bought a Nissan Versa with a 1.6L engine. It is getting better
than 32 MPG around town with A/C and will get potentially greater than
40 MPG on the highway.

I can purchase gas for $2.39 per gallon locally.

I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They
are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly.

Well, the main reason to buy a Prius is to have a nice background for
your Obama sticker.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/...6445ddde56.jpg


--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built)
That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe
half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking
about fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle
cheaper than the old cars.

I just bought a Nissan Versa with a 1.6L engine. It is getting better
than 32 MPG around town with A/C and will get potentially greater than
40 MPG on the highway.

I can purchase gas for $2.39 per gallon locally.

I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They
are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly.

what gets me is I have owned several cars back in the 70-80s that got
the same mileage as we struggle for now...

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:24:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0400, tiny
wrote:

I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They
are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly.

what gets me is I have owned several cars back in the 70-80s that got
the same mileage as we struggle for now...

My 69 Corvette would get 22-23 if you could keep those Quadrajet
secondaries closed. Open them up and it would go ~140 MPH (at a whole
lot less MPG)

Shoot, my '52 Studebaker got up around 30mpg. Of course it didn't do
much better for oil. But, that re-refined oil (what the hell was it
called?) could be had for about 10cents a quart.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On 10/1/09 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:15:49 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.

I bet your electric bill is going to be a lot higher too. They will
also find a way to tack on some road tax as soon as these electrics
become a significant part of the vehicles. Right now you are getting a
free ride on that.
If you are willing to drive a 2000 pound vehicle with minimal
passenger protection, limited performance and no a/c you have some
choices that do quite well on fuel a whole lot cheaper than a $40,000
electric. You can buy a lot of $4 gas for the difference.




No A/C?

Well, so much for *that*!

I'll keep on looking.

:)


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/1/09 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:15:49 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.

I bet your electric bill is going to be a lot higher too. They will
also find a way to tack on some road tax as soon as these electrics
become a significant part of the vehicles. Right now you are getting a
free ride on that.
If you are willing to drive a 2000 pound vehicle with minimal
passenger protection, limited performance and no a/c you have some
choices that do quite well on fuel a whole lot cheaper than a $40,000
electric. You can buy a lot of $4 gas for the difference.




No A/C?

Well, so much for *that*!

I'll keep on looking.


The 2011 version seems pretty full-featured to me.

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/vol...sandspecs.html

I like the idea but I'm skittish about buying GM. I'd like to see what the
competition will bring before I make a decision.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Gene wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:12:58 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.
I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.

If used as the sales department suggests, the 230 MPG sounds great.
However, a very small car won't go for $40,000 unless fuel cost are
REALLY high. We'd like one to commute, but not for that much money, up
front....

Who is/are "we"? You and WAFA?