It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.




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On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.





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"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.



Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours to
get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking
problems.

On 10/1/09 1:29 PM, CalifBill wrote:
"H the wrote in message
m...
On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.



Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours to
get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking
problems.




Yes, well, since you have *no* idea of how I would want to use this
vehicle, or where, even, I'll give your advice the usual
consideration...none at all.

A 90-mile round trip, by the way, would be perfect for my commuting
needs. And, gosharoonie, I have electric plugs in my garage.



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"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 10/1/09 1:29 PM, CalifBill wrote:
"H the wrote in message
m...
On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.



Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours
to
get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking
problems.




Yes, well, since you have *no* idea of how I would want to use this
vehicle, or where, even, I'll give your advice the usual
consideration...none at all.

A 90-mile round trip, by the way, would be perfect for my commuting needs.
And, gosharoonie, I have electric plugs in my garage.



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Idiots All

Does your customer have a plug to freely charge the unit. And the 5 mile
extension cord to make it the last 5 miles. If they made the VOLT a hybrid
with a small diesel, would be a winner.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:57:53 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

If they made the VOLT a hybrid
with a small diesel, would be a winner.


It would be a Volkswagon L1

The VW jetta diesel in Europe may get up to 80 mpg, beats the hell out of
any hybrid or VOLT we have here.

In article ,
says...

On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K
wrote:

It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the
battery and keep you running.

Seems like a perfect commuter car.

I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you
amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then
add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These
glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln.


My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price
and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more
than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed.

Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be
invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away.

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

What is the carbon footprint to produce the batteries that are in the
Volt? A 2.0 litre engine has a longer service life than a pack of
batteries and a smaller carbon footprint than the pack of batteries in
your Volt and then you have to add on the cost of the "generator".

The technology is interesting and holds promise. However, you have to
break it down to its component systems and evaluate it at that level to
determine how eco-friendly it really is.

Who wants to buy a used Prius that needs a new battery pack?

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That
translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half
to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about
fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper
than the old cars.

In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of
getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands
now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future?
Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries?
And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an
outlet at your client's office 45 miles away?

An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of
energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That
translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the
performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half
to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about
fairly well moving traffic.
Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a
place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your
"sitting" time is free .
The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper
than the old cars.

In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of
getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands
now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future?
Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution.

Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner?
Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is
all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving?
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All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:14:56 -0400, JohnH wrote:


Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner?
Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all
about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving?

Liberal aversion? Yeah, right. Only if all businessmen are liberal.
France went nuclear because it doesn't have oil or coal reserves. We do,
and they are still cheaper than nuclear power. Of course, we could go
totally nuclear, but you explain to the American public the reason for
the surge in their utility bills.