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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for
their
person.
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Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the
government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not
an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?

I am willing to live with an impediment to my liberty so the
government can provide for the national defense. But let's realize
that taking my money *is* an impediment to my liberty.
--

John H

Hee hee! How selective & self serving you are.
Of course you'd be willing to pay taxes for self defence...that's your sugar
daddy.
Carried you all through your 'loafing years' and still carries you in your
retirement.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:04:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. *But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. *You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.