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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
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John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


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Nom=de=Plume

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:04:55 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the
US, the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the
European scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into
groups on the polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in
their politics. If you want to get elected in this country to a national
position, you mostly have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of
political life.

That's pretty much the nature of a two party system. The battle is
almost always for the middle.


That's been my battle since I was 20. lol

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.

You have twisted that.

Good government fosters a good environment for people to excel, and that
includes the ability to earn and retain the majority of their income.

Good government does not tax hard working successful people to bailout
corrupt and dysfunctional private companies like GM and the banks. Nor do
good governments rack up debt and print/create money so fast no one even
knows what it will do to the economy, other than the results will not be
good.

Japan tried it, recovery took over 10 years. Reagan took less from the
middle class and recovery began in a year. Go figure.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?

National defense is good, but why not talk of banks and corporations like GM
that now cost taxpayers thousands in future debt! Why not talk about the
billions going to Afganistan, a war the politicians don't have the balls to
win.

Why not talk about the government waste. Pork spending? Corruption?
Massive government debt for stuff people will never see the benefit of?

Its an Lib-Dim Obamanation....

On Sep 27, 6:36*pm, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 1:05*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry.

Yes they do, sorry.

*the rich make their money on capital gains. and

the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.

that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

oh. you just ignore what the middle class pays because only the rich
are important.


sorry, sport, you need to get some facts instead of inventing right
wing myths

How about those Demoncrats that pay *NO* taxes? *Is that OK with you?

and the GOP has it structured so they pay no taxes anyhow, relying on
the middle class to bail 'em out. after all, that's how they maintain
their success

then they get folks like you to tell us how lucky we are to support
the rich

On Sep 27, 4:35*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wf3h wrote:



and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

jesus...another bag of hammers

the tax rate on capital gains is 15%.

but you don't know that 'cuz rush keeps telling you how much he pays
in taxes

On Sep 27, 4:24*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

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ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

I think you just gave away that you are not rich at all. *Not even close.

that's right. i work for a living


Don't get sucked into Obama's BS about "taxing the rich". *Governments idea
of rich is that you have a job, or a boat, or a canoe. *Or just a fishing
tackle box. *Government is hungry for excuses to jump taxes. *Ditto health
care, government wants to skim it.

more tin foil hat delusions from the 'rush is right' crowd. rush is a
multimillionaire faking populist and relies on sock puppets like this
to defend his lifestyle...when he's not in rehab for drug addiction


You don't think Obama doesn't enyoy overspending $1.3T in debt spend?

which was planned by bernanke and bush

oh. you forgot that too.

you guys really are dumb, aren't you? you have your little radio
shows, your conspiracy and your shortwave programs selling vitamins
and guns

and that's all you need.

On 9/27/09 9:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 4:24 pm, wrote:
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ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

I think you just gave away that you are not rich at all. Not even close.

that's right. i work for a living


Don't get sucked into Obama's BS about "taxing the rich". Governments idea
of rich is that you have a job, or a boat, or a canoe. Or just a fishing
tackle box. Government is hungry for excuses to jump taxes. Ditto health
care, government wants to skim it.

more tin foil hat delusions from the 'rush is right' crowd. rush is a
multimillionaire faking populist and relies on sock puppets like this
to defend his lifestyle...when he's not in rehab for drug addiction


You don't think Obama doesn't enyoy overspending $1.3T in debt spend?

which was planned by bernanke and bush

oh. you forgot that too.

you guys really are dumb, aren't you? you have your little radio
shows, your conspiracy and your shortwave programs selling vitamins
and guns

and that's all you need.



What I find funny is that the right-wing dirtbags here keep using me as
the subject of their uncontrollable drooling, as in this thread and
several others currently running.

Poor dumb rightwing dirtbags.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


--
Nom=de=Plume

~ Snerk ~
Johnny made a career of getting big pay & benefits from Uncle Sam for
minimal output.
He's doing the same now for no output.

On 9/27/09 9:39 PM, Don White wrote:
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600,
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600,
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"Lu wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


--
Nom=de=Plume

~ Snerk ~
Johnny made a career of getting big pay& benefits from Uncle Sam for
minimal output.
He's doing the same now for no output.



Don't forget that until recently he took money from one or more of the
counties of northern Virginia to pretend to be a substitute teacher and
while he was doing that he made a number of racial remarks about his
students and their families.





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Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All