On Sep 27, 9:39*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. *But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. *You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn..

I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. *Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.

Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.

True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H

So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?

--
Nom=de=Plume

~ Snerk ~
Johnny made a career of getting big pay & benefits from Uncle Sam for
minimal output.
He's doing the same now for no output.

And he's STILL no smarter than when He started.

On Sep 28, 8:38*am, "Canuck57" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message



the tax rate on capital gains is 15%.

but you don't know that 'cuz rush keeps telling you how much he pays
in taxes
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And adjust that for inflation!

which, if you do that for the middle class, shows they haven't had a
pay increase in 30 years

since the time of reagan...

..

If you capital appreciates at 3% and inflation is at 3% you in fact pay 15%
tax on the gain and have less value. *That is, lost money.

and it hasn't worked out that way. the rich have had their income
almost triple in the last 10 years.

you socket puppets really don't like the middle class do you?

Now I know, liberla low life can't understand this, but it is why most
liberal low lives don't have money or lose it pretty quick.


here he wants us to weep for the rich...who've gotten richer...while
he tells us how lucky the middle class is since it's not had a pay
increase in 30 years...

On Sep 27, 9:29*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:36*pm, Jack wrote:





On Sep 27, 1:05*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry.

Yes they do, sorry.

*the rich make their money on capital gains. and

the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. That's not enough? Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?


The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.

that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.


You're terribly confused. The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you.

Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:29 pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:36 pm, Jack wrote:





On Sep 27, 1:05 pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48 am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wf3h wrote:
and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class
Another liberal fable. The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?
no, they don't. sorry.
Yes they do, sorry.
the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. That's not enough? Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. Ooops.
that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.


You're terribly confused. The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you.


Perhaps he'd feel better if we took up a collection to help him get back
on his feet.

On Sep 28, 9:41*am, Jim wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:29 pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:36 pm, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:05 pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48 am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wf3h wrote:
and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class
Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?
no, they don't. sorry.
Yes they do, sorry.
*the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. *You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. *Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. *Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. *That's not enough? *Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.
that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

You're terribly confused. *The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". *Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you.

Perhaps he'd feel better if we took up a collection to help him get back
on his feet.

A family member is a CPA, and always laughs when they hear someone
talking about how the rich don't pay any taxes. The so-called tax
shelters are long gone, US citizens have to pay taxes on income *world-
wide*, they are taxed at the highest rate, and the deduction are
phased out at the higher income levels. A higher percentage of their
income is taken for taxes, as it should be. But to say that they pay
no taxes, or are getting some sweetheart deal when it comes to taxes,
is just wrong.

On 9/28/09 10:41 AM, Jack wrote:
On Sep 28, 9:41 am, wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:36 pm, wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48 am, wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wrote:
and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class
Another liberal fable. The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?
no, they don't. sorry.
Yes they do, sorry.
the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. That's not enough? Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. Ooops.
that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

You're terribly confused. The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you.

Perhaps he'd feel better if we took up a collection to help him get back
on his feet.

A family member is a CPA, and always laughs when they hear someone
talking about how the rich don't pay any taxes. The so-called tax
shelters are long gone, US citizens have to pay taxes on income *world-
wide*, they are taxed at the highest rate, and the deduction are
phased out at the higher income levels. A higher percentage of their
income is taken for taxes, as it should be. But to say that they pay
no taxes, or are getting some sweetheart deal when it comes to taxes,
is just wrong.

The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Sep 28, 9:35*am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:29*pm, wf3h wrote:


the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. *You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. *Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

it's a tax on investment INCOME. you pay it when you SELL the
investment otherwise you don't pay taxes on equities.

not too sharp at this are you?



So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. *Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. *That's not enough? *Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

?? gee you want to tax and penalize the middle class which works
hard...harder than the rich.

the hedgefund managers in your mind are worth more than firefighters,
nurses, police officers, etc. after all the hedgefund manager made
$100M by gambling, and he only pays 15% tax rate. so in your mind, the
firefighter SHOULD pay a 28% rate because he's committed the sin of
'not being successful'

yeah you're a sock puppet for the rich, all right.





The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.

that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

You're terribly confused. *The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". *Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you

ROFLMAO!!! that's a middle class income, as opposed to your view of
the rich who only pay 15%

of course you're kind of dumb so don't know the difference between
investments and investment INCOME...

On Sep 28, 10:41*am, Jack wrote:


A family member is a CPA, and always laughs when they hear someone
talking about how the rich don't pay any taxes.

yeah, it breaks my heart to see the rich have to pay a whole 15% on
their income. truly tragic.

*The so-called tax
shelters are long gone, US citizens have to pay taxes on income *world-
wide*, they are taxed at the highest rate, and the deduction are
phased out at the higher income levels. *A higher percentage of their
income is taken for taxes, as it should be. *But to say that they pay
no taxes, or are getting some sweetheart deal when it comes to taxes,
is just wrong.-

unfortunately the rich have gamed the system so they pay less in taxex
than normal folks, get to write off their losses, and get a BAILOUT
when they **** up.

anything else you want to tell us about how truly tragic it is to be
rich?

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:49:00 -0400, H the K
wrote:

On 9/28/09 10:41 AM, Jack wrote:
On Sep 28, 9:41 am, wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:29 pm, wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:36 pm, wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48 am, wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wrote:
and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class
Another liberal fable. The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?
no, they don't. sorry.
Yes they do, sorry.
the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. That's not enough? Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. Ooops.
that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

You're terribly confused. The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you.

Perhaps he'd feel better if we took up a collection to help him get back
on his feet.

A family member is a CPA, and always laughs when they hear someone
talking about how the rich don't pay any taxes. The so-called tax
shelters are long gone, US citizens have to pay taxes on income *world-
wide*, they are taxed at the highest rate, and the deduction are
phased out at the higher income levels. A higher percentage of their
income is taken for taxes, as it should be. But to say that they pay
no taxes, or are getting some sweetheart deal when it comes to taxes,
is just wrong.

The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.

You do Chuckie Schumer proud, Papa-san.
To take half a cookie from an unwilling school child to give to
another school child is to commit larceny. To take half a citizen's
income to give to others is a civic duty. How Orwellian.

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On Sep 28, 10:49*am, H the K wrote:


The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.

--


to hear jack tell it, the rich are standing on street corners selling
apples after the middle class screwed them in the last year or so...