being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!


http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

On Sep 26, 8:51*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27....

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

IT IS BAD here in FL. The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

On Sep 26, 10:53*pm, Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 8:51*pm, Tim wrote:



On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

IT IS BAD here in FL. *The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

In fact, Monday, I will get a device to siphon my boats fuel tank to
use said fuel in my truck so it will not sit and absorb water. I had
to put in 9 gals of E10 last week cuz I could not get ethanol free
although I did add Stabil. From now on,I s'pose I will have to siphon
the tank whenever I buy E10.

Frogwatch

Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:53 pm, Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 8:51 pm, Tim wrote:



On Sep 26, 7:43 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
being used for boat fuel.
I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!
http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...
That's a recent article based on old data.
While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.
Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.
Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.
Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.
IT IS BAD here in FL. The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

In fact, Monday, I will get a device to siphon my boats fuel tank to
use said fuel in my truck so it will not sit and absorb water. I had
to put in 9 gals of E10 last week cuz I could not get ethanol free
although I did add Stabil. From now on,I s'pose I will have to siphon
the tank whenever I buy E10.

Frogwatch

I tries t tankful of pure gasoline a few weeks ago and mileage dropped
almost 2 MPG. Not exactly what I expected.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

They don't sell it in this province...I don't know about out west.

On Sep 27, 11:22*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:42dtb5963i7fds3cdil4toqpp8i9u5kduu@4ax .com...



On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27....

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

They don't sell it in this province...I don't know about out west.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder why that is? but I don't know what the Canadian equivelent to
the EPA is.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:31:43 -0400, wrote:

E10 seems to be the only gas they sell in SW Florida and that has been
true for as long as I can remember. At least that is what the stickers
on the pumps say.

You can buy ethanol free gas at the Ft Myers muni marina or get it
delivered to your house by a fuel dealer, typically a 50 to 100 gallon
minimum.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:43:06 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:43:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

That's a recent article based on old data.

I'd like to see the new data! Even for folks not subjected to cold
temperatures, ethanol is just crap. (See Figure 2)
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf

West Marine developed the following document in concert with what is
now "Growth Energy" (if you want to see a perfectly useless and fact
free website, theirs (GE) is perfection):
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...-Your-Boat.htm

I find NOTHING in that document that makes me believe that ethanol and
boats should ever mix.

Locally, we've had lawsuits regarding the *amount* of ethanol. Some
stations have been whacked for selling ethanol mixtures exceeding 50%!

Local dealerships and the Yamaha Factory Rep. are recommending AGAINST
using Sta-Bil.... except in the marinized formulations and then they
recommend Star-Tron and Valvtec over the Sta-Bil. I'm going to follow
their recommendations, after removing plenty of orange jello like goo
from my son's fuel system... I'm a believer. If you want Sta-Bil
cheap, come south.... every dealership has piles that are being sold
cheap and may go to the dump, if not bought....

Even the Senate is getting into the act:
http://www.bestofboating.com/2009/09...ll-916-09.html

Ethanol, and the people that have forced it on us, suck.

I agree with this post.
--

John H