being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!


http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

On Sep 26, 8:51*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27....

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

IT IS BAD here in FL. The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

On Sep 26, 10:53*pm, Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 8:51*pm, Tim wrote:



On Sep 26, 7:43*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends *due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.

IT IS BAD here in FL. *The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

In fact, Monday, I will get a device to siphon my boats fuel tank to
use said fuel in my truck so it will not sit and absorb water. I had
to put in 9 gals of E10 last week cuz I could not get ethanol free
although I did add Stabil. From now on,I s'pose I will have to siphon
the tank whenever I buy E10.

Frogwatch

Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:53 pm, Katie Ohara wrote:
On Sep 26, 8:51 pm, Tim wrote:



On Sep 26, 7:43 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
being used for boat fuel.
I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!
http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...l-never-be-%27...
That's a recent article based on old data.
While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.
Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.
Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.
Tom, can you lead me to some updates on that? it's pretty interesting.
IT IS BAD here in FL. The stuff has caused me incredible problems.
Ethanol in gas should be banned.

In fact, Monday, I will get a device to siphon my boats fuel tank to
use said fuel in my truck so it will not sit and absorb water. I had
to put in 9 gals of E10 last week cuz I could not get ethanol free
although I did add Stabil. From now on,I s'pose I will have to siphon
the tank whenever I buy E10.

Frogwatch

I tries t tankful of pure gasoline a few weeks ago and mileage dropped
almost 2 MPG. Not exactly what I expected.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:43:06 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:43:13 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

That's a recent article based on old data.

I'd like to see the new data! Even for folks not subjected to cold
temperatures, ethanol is just crap. (See Figure 2)
http://www.epa.gov/OMS/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf

West Marine developed the following document in concert with what is
now "Growth Energy" (if you want to see a perfectly useless and fact
free website, theirs (GE) is perfection):
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...-Your-Boat.htm

I find NOTHING in that document that makes me believe that ethanol and
boats should ever mix.

Locally, we've had lawsuits regarding the *amount* of ethanol. Some
stations have been whacked for selling ethanol mixtures exceeding 50%!

Local dealerships and the Yamaha Factory Rep. are recommending AGAINST
using Sta-Bil.... except in the marinized formulations and then they
recommend Star-Tron and Valvtec over the Sta-Bil. I'm going to follow
their recommendations, after removing plenty of orange jello like goo
from my son's fuel system... I'm a believer. If you want Sta-Bil
cheap, come south.... every dealership has piles that are being sold
cheap and may go to the dump, if not bought....

Even the Senate is getting into the act:
http://www.bestofboating.com/2009/09...ll-916-09.html

Ethanol, and the people that have forced it on us, suck.

I agree with this post.
--

John H

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

being used for boat fuel.

I knew the stuff can deteriorate, but i didn't know it could break
down in as little as two weeks!

http://www.powerboat-world.com/Ethan...oats/61595/arc

That's a recent article based on old data.

While it doesn't have exactly the same shelf life has non-ethanol gas,
it hasn't produced the storage problems in a majority of situation
that were forecast.

Now, in areas where there are cold temperature extremes in the winter,
yeah - it's very possible that you will get phase seperation in
ethanol blends due to significant warming and cooling cycles. It seem
to be a particular problem in the border states with Canada.

Then again, I havne't heard a lot of horror stories out of Canada
about it.

They don't sell it in this province...I don't know about out west.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:43:06 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Ethanol, and the people that have forced it on us, suck.

It's interesting - I hear these stories about Sta-bil all the time,
yet I - please to note the word I (as in me, myself and) - haven't
fell victim to any of that and if there's anybody who keeps gasoline a
long time, it's me. I still have a 5 gallon can that's got to be 8
months old and just put it in my lawn tractor - looked fine, smelled
fine and the tractor is running just fine.

i hadn't run my Ranger since late September last year up to late July
this year - full tank and before that, it sat the entire summer down
at my son's house - ran maybe twice for a total of two/three hours and
not a lot of fuel used.

Never once had a problem - started right up, ran fine, plenty of
power, yada, yada, yada.

And I use Sta-bil. In my lawn tractor, all my two cycle lawn/garden
equipment, etc. No orange "goop", no issues with the gas, filters
look clean when removed and replaced - no issues at all.

Fiberglass deteroiation - I can't say directly. I have seen what was
proportedly the result of ethanol ruining a gas tank, but that was a
very old boat - I would have suspected problems at some point if I
were the owner even without the ethanol. Since then? Haven't heard
tell of a single issue.

And I get around as there are several dealers who use me deliver and
test boats because (1) I'm retired (2) as a general rule I know what
I'm doing and (3) I usually don't charge as it keeps me entertained -
when I do, it's almost always a barter situation. Which is how I get
my electronics on the cheap. :)

Now ethanol "cleaning" out gas tanks? That I can directly address as
I saw what came out of the Ranger tank when I had it drained, the
lines flushed and the inboat filters changed. That was amazing - must
have been a pound or so of just pure crud, dirt and crap.

And it was the same with the pontoon boat my son has - we drained the
tank and there was about an inch or so of crap at the bottom of the
tank. Got all that out, flushed the tank and it's clean as a whistle.

Having said all that, I don't doubt that you experienced what you
experienced. I'm not trying to gain say you nor am I trying to be
offensive, obnoxious, disagreeable, churlish, contentious,
disputatious and/or unfriendly. :)

To quote Col. Jack O'Neill: "I'd like to apologize in advance for
anything I may say or do that could be construed as offensive as I
slowly go nuts!"

I am saying that the problems being reported may not be entirely the
fault of "ethanol" all by it's lonesome. There may be other issues to
blame also.

Or at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:43:06 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Locally, we've had lawsuits regarding the *amount* of ethanol. Some
stations have been whacked for selling ethanol mixtures exceeding 50%!

Now that is an issue. We had a case locally - independant who buys on
the spot market or tank farm excess - who is still in litigation over
a tank full of 50% ethanol.

Hasn't happened since, but some local distributors got into trouble
buying gas in those markets that were intentionally cut with
additional ethanol.