"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 7:43 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...
#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) that's not a list, dummy
2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

The data does not need to be ignored, since the data does NOT support your
claim



The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally
or not
2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower
Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution
All they have achieved is piling on debt to pay for non-productive
behavior.
#
# Way to go morons.
#

At least you labelled youselves right...
But why pat yourself on the back for you moronic policies that are
destroying the strength of this country


It's universal ignorance, that makes idiots like you claim that it's a bad
thing.
#
# says the ostrich, congratulating himself on his view of the world.
#

Nah !
I leave that kind of ignorant behavior to such as you
But thanks for playing
It's always fun to tease loons like you

On Sep 23, 12:00*pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...

#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) * *that's not a list, dummy
2) * *Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

uh...OK....


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich

#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) * *The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
* * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy. in fact, americans
are headed to china to find jobs, as the washington post reported the
other day.


or not
2) * *The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower

uh...no. the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
important measure of humanity. none of the policies you
cite...minimum wage (which hadnt gone up in 20 years), or welfare, has
ANY effect on our economy at all. what DOES have an effect is the
policies that allow america's companies to find places where there are
no unions, no worker protection, no minimum wage, nothing to protect
people at all

and that is, in fact, the right view view of america: destroy the
middle class and make us like a 3rd world country.

* * * * Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) * *And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution

fairy tales are the staple of the right wing. there hasnt been a
'liberal' govt in the US since the mid 60's and johnson's 'great
society'. right wingers fail to note that the middle class suffered
the most under reagan, and the 2 bushes.

so tell us again how allowing wall street to continue its greed will
save the middle class...that seems to be all you right wingers have to
offer.

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:00 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...
#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) that's not a list, dummy
2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

No, no one has said that's "causality". You just trotted out a shabby
****ty straw man.


but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation

Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.


# primarily because global corporatism

"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.

1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.

That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. I think you made that up.



or not
2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower

uh...no.

UHHHHHHH - yes, in part.


the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
important measure of humanity. [snip ignorant bull****]

No.



Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.

That's *exactly* right. Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.


3) And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution

fairy tales

It is the left that believes in them. This is not in rational dispute.

On Sep 23, 12:24*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

No, no one has said that's "causality".

except you, of course, with your delusions of a 'socialist'
president...just because he's black


but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. **THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.

really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street debacle did
nothing to our economy?

i guess i was right all along: right wingers don't follow the news.
first this idiot thinks obama was president for 8 years and now he's
saying wall street had no role in destroying our economy



The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation

Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.

ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's
bankrupt??!!!

no wonder you right wingers don't think we have an economic crisis!


# primarily because global corporatism

"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing

uh...YOU used the term 'global corporatism'...

oh. you don't read what you write....


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.

1) * *The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
* * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.

That's probably false. *I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. *I think you made that up.

really? you idiot right wingers really just believe the bull**** fairy
tales you tell yourselves, don't you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ain-drain.html

"What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek
Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the
next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000
to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. "For the
first time in American history, we are experiencing the brain drain
that other countries experienced," he says.

yeah. go ahead and tell me about how you wonderful right wingers, with
your free market fundamentalism, have created so many opportunities...


* * * * Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.

That's *exactly* right. *Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. *They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.

meaningless rush limbaugh boilerplate.

On Sep 23, 12:43*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:


You have no evidence. *You're just like Carter, when he called Joe
Wilson "racist": *zero evidence.

the evidence is as follows:

1. everything you paranoid racists

Begging the question; not evidence

2. since you ignore the rich white boy

No, I didn't.


ah. so your argument is as follows:

1 you clip out what i said
2. you merely say that what you say is true

golly. ironclad logic.

you guys trashed the economy. obama wasn't president for the last 8
years. aorry. i can understand why you're terrified like a small child
at the damage you've caused.

what's pathetic is how unwilling you are to be an adult and take the
blame, or to re-examine your beliefs.

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:46:48 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Difference is, I can provide the objective measure.

You, not so much.

Go ahead, provide it.

Do your own homework. I don't have time to educate idiots.

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:45:38 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


"Wilson Woods" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Here's another one.
By any objective measure, socialists have caused more death and misery in
the last 100 years than anyone else has in previous times.
(See www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM "

And I suppose you're counting Hitler as a socialist, you silly dweeb.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:57:17 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 22, 3:53*pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 3:21 pm, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:10 am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think
I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

says the guy who doesn't even know he's been poisoned
Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 1/2 years.

I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

says the guy who thinks that the more people who are wrong about an
argument, the more right they are

Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

says the right wing lunatic who thinks rush limbaugh speaks ex
cathedra

oh...did that confuse our little right winger?

As I previously stated, all that matters about the "tooter" is which of
our regular right-wing is he? There's nothing he's posted here so far
that is anything different than the usual right-wing bull****.


yeah it's amazing how uniform they are. it's as if stupdity came in
only 1 color

Green. Color of envy and frogs.

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:
now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong
No, no one has said that's "causality".

except you, of course,

Except no one.


president...just because he's black

There's your racism again...



but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class
You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.

really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street

Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation
Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.

ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's
bankrupt??!!!

Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy.


# primarily because global corporatism
"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing

uh...YOU used the term 'global corporatism'...

I didn't.


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally
uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.
That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. I think you made that up.

really?

Until you posted something, yes.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ain-drain.html

"What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek
Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the
next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000
to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth.

That is a *projection*, you cocksucker, and it's over five years. It
may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to
their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's
anything "wrong" with the US economy. If their economies had been
healthy enough in the first place, they never would have come here.
Growth in their economies relative to ours is to be expected.


Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
That's *exactly* right. Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.

meaningless

No, factual.

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:43 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:

You have no evidence. You're just like Carter, when he called Joe
Wilson "racist": zero evidence.
the evidence is as follows:
1. everything you paranoid racists
Begging the question; not evidence

2. since you ignore the rich white boy
No, I didn't.


ah. so your argument is as follows:

No. Any time any leftist writes something like "So what you're
saying..." or "So your argument is...", what follows is *NEVER* an
accurate restatement of the opponent's position - never.


1 you clip out what i said

It's almost entirely bull****. I leave in just the bull**** I want to
identify as bull**** and refute.


2. you merely say that what you say is true

No, what I say is true, period.


you guys trashed the economy.

No. First, I wasn't in government. Second, I didn't vote for Bush.
Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.