On Sep 22, 9:25*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 8:54*am, Toots Sweet wrote:

On Sep 22, 7:41*am, wf3h wrote:

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america..
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.- Hide quoted text -

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I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush

Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

Absoutely nothing.

the RICH, *however, did EXTREMELY well under bush, with the income of
the richest 1% almost tripling under his regime

So? Who creates wealth - the government? Don't blame GWB for lousy
investment choices you made.

so i realize *you're a liar. but DO try to do it in a way that sucks
the cock of the rich in a less obsequious manner, OK?

Yes exactly what I wanted to see. The last refuge of those whose
arguments are destroyed - foul language.

How utterly typical.

Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs,

what could he lie about? that we have the most costly and least
efficient health care in the world, courtesy of your rich friends?

Really. Well, that must explain why 90% of the American populace
likes their health insurance and want to keep it. That must also
explain the ready availability of health care when you catch a cold
and run do the doctor. That must explain all the CAT/PET/MRI testing
available. That certainly must explain all the recent advances in
terminal cancer care. That must explain cheapo flu shots. Drug
investments. That must explain why Canadians and other people from
other countries come here for advanced treatments.

IT'S THE RICH!!!

Honestly - do you ever actually think? Logically? About anything?

*he's lied to seniors about Medicare and

Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident),

nobody cares

Not true. People do care. They care a lot. And you and your fellow
leftists saw just how powerful the "average" American feels about
everything.

Oh, and before you claim that it was all "special interests", please
explain why the SEIU beat up people and restricted access to the "town
halls" after it became an issue when the ladies and gentlemen of our
Congress were confronted by angry average Americans? Explain why
Democratic Congressmen and women in secure seats had to hide behind
pre-screened "tele conferences" rather than explain all this in person
to their constituents?

One more thing - please explain why Federal, State and Union medical
benefits will not change while all other Americans will have to change
their plans if they want to stay insured. You might want to think
about this also. If these plans are so great, why aren't our
legislators at the State and Federal level participating in all this
health care change goodness?

*he fabricated two

completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border,

you mean the missile system, favored by bush, that would have cost
BILLIONS,

and doesn't work? that the system you're referring to? and, of course,
he's replacing it with a system that DOES work...the aegis system...

The Aegis System won't work either - not against ICBMs.

With respect to "doesn't work", I think the Air Force would beg to
differ. There are Youtube videos of successful tests. I suggest that
you look them up. Not that it will convince you in particular because
you are inculcated into the liberal mind set (frozen in time you might
say), but it might convince others that you aren't being entirely
truthful and have, in fact, drank the Kool-Aid of leftist political
thought.

oh. you're ****ed because those billions would have gone to bush's
rich friends

Not at all. Extrapolation isn't one of your strong points I see.

I'm "****ed", as you so delightfully put it, because when Iran gets to
chucking nuclear missiles around the Middle East, I'll have to say I
told you so and that would annoy me to no end.

he's

abandoning Isreal to its fate,

abandoning israel? anyone believe that? *bueller? bueller?

Yes - the Isrealies believe it and they know it to be true. They are
being thrown to the wolves in the name of "peace".

*foreign heads of government think he's

an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

iran and n. korea...n. korea became a nuclear power under bush. *they
did their first nuke test under bush. iran started its centrifuges
under bush.

Oh gosh - another trite BOOOOOOSH comment. Clinton allowed it -
Albright was his go-to gal on that one. I can see history isn't one
of your strong points either.

you seem to have forgotten obama's been president for 8 months. you
have him confused with bush.

I'm fully aware that President Obama has been in office for 8 months.
I'm also fully aware that he's becoming a complete and total failure
in terms of leadership not to mention that the country is now
officially worse off than it was under President Bush. And that's
hard to do.

all the failures you've mentioned...ALL of them...happnened under bush

Amusing.

Well, it has been fun to say the least. It's not often I get to
"discuss" issues with religious converts. It's like talking to the
Taliban about theology only in this case, it's our own people who
should know better.

Have a great day. And do try to at least think a little. It might
change your opinions.

Then again, the odds of that happening are miniscule to say the least.