Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 7:52 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 7:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote onster.com:
RD (The Sandman) wrote:
wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2-
:
On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was
interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his
company and doesn't feel like his company respects him
and he's a republican
I worked for Western Electric just out of high school.
hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45...
Only union I
belonged to. CWA. What a worthless group. They went on strike fo
r 11
weeks before I went to work there. 11 weeks and the settled for
what
t
he
company offered in the first place. I was eligible for a 5 cent
raise
when
I left. To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die
for
me
to get into the next pay grade. And I had excellent reviews.
and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern
SQC...all with a unionized workforce
The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits.
Outside contractors too....
The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining
session.
I've noticed the same thing. The biggest things unions are known for is
making union officials wealthy and allowing lazy folks to earn money off
the sweat of others.
now let's see...how much of our trillion dollar bailout was needed to
save
1. hedgefund managers
2. union members
100% of the former...0 of the latter.
The whole GM rescue was done to save the Unions.

If GM had hit the Bankruptcy all those Union benefits would have been on
the chopping block.


hey genius...NEWSFLASH!!

GM DID file for bankruptcy

every time you post you prove you're dumber than a bag of hammers...


Not according to the Liberals that told me, the difference between
chapter 11 and chapter 7 was restructuring and going bankrupt and told
me GM didn't go bankrupt.....

So why don't you guys get together and decide whether they did or didn't
and then get back to me.

It was libs that told me they weren't going bankrupt, now it's Libs
telling me that they did go bankrupt.

I will tell you what, I will go with..... they filed bankruptcy as I
told Libs the first time and say I'm wrong this time and was right the
last time when I said that GM went bankrupt. (Never listen to a Liberal)

So when they went to bankruptcy why did the Judge NOT re-evaluate the
Union Contracts? Was it because the government paid off the bills and
asked the Judge NOT to toss out the contracts?

Just what was the impetus for restructuring the management and leaving
the Union contracts that the "BAD" management had negotiated?

None of what they did makes any sense.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:56 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:32 am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
wf3h wrote :
no, they're no. since manufacturing has disappeared in the US and
virtually none of it was unionized, it's obvious unions had zip to do
with it. you admit IBM is unionized...and still in the US, while the
non unionized plants are gone
That was a company choice....and not a good one.
oh. i see how this works. you claim unions destroy business. proof of
that is
1. non unionized plants are closed
2. unionized plants are still in production but you think they
shouldn't be because that disproves your view
gee. an ironclad argument
and that, to you, proves non unionized plants protect jobs? if that's
the case, where are the jobs?
If you were half as familiar with IBM as you insinuate, you would know
what a loss that was.
and if you knew logic, you'd see how ridiculous your position is
Argue this:

Times Union: A sweet IBM dealhttp://cnse.albany.edu/News/index.cfm?step=show_detail&NewsID=1406

A sweet IBM deal that netted the company $1.6 billion of the taxpayer
dollars, and then:

BM layoffs reaching 3000, union group claimshttp://www.edn.com/article/CA6632229.html

And then there are many, many, many of these that you can argue:

Toyota to Close Union Plant in Californiahttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/business/28nummi.html

and yet you admit that all the silicon valley plants that closed were
non union

and that proves unions cause plants to close.

kind of like the guy who says whistling keeps polar bears away from
florida...when he's told that there are no polar bears in florida, he
says 'see how well it works!"


So argue away, wf3h. Show us all how unions keep plants alive.


and show us how lack of unions causes them to thrive. go ahead. we'll
wait

show us all how unions cause companies to thrive, trollboi wf3h.

OH-TAY! You lose, Buhwhee.

"Top 20 semiconductor companies saw 21% sales surge in Q2"
http://www.edn.com/article/CA6674126.html

I'm going to put you in the killfile in the computer under my desk.
While you're down there, you know what to kiss.

*PLONK*

--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefitsfor illegal aliens
 

CalifBill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 29, 10:58 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get
some instead of chugging down union koolaid.......
--
\
says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of
christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are
doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout
Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your
big job was "wet bench installer".

--

seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is.
no surprise. we work for a living

Hell of a difference between a field engineer and a design engineer. I was
an FE while getting my degree in EE.

He's an engineer the same way that janitors are "Sanitation Engineers".

--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

RD (The Sandman) wrote:
wf3h wrote in
:

On Sep 29, 2:16 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
wf3h wrote
innews:e60e9c3d-30c2-4a6b-884e-051e4b55
:
not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no union shop.
Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s should
get the same pay I did. Didn't like it then, wouldn't like it now.
Meri
t
pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you
have trouble passing muster.

--

if life were only that simple...and if management really always
promoted on 'merit'.

I had no problem with two companies and a 30 year career. Now, I am
retired.....haven't had a car payment since 1989.....a house payment
since 1994. Just dabble around rebuilding older trucks. Just finished a
'69 Ford 1/2T (390V8, belly tank, 4 wheel disc brakes, new interior) for
my brother in law. Am currently working on a '66 Chevy 1/2T for my
nephew (383 roller motor, aluminum heads, 7004r trannie, four wheel disc
brakes, new interior replacing a tired 6 banger and 4 wheel drums).
Just gave a '69 Chevy 1/2T to my niece's husband (disc brakes, 383CID,
Turbo 350) and a '72 FJ40 (350V8, four wheel discs) to another brother in
law.

Oh, those are in addition to a '94 Toyota Pickup (rejuvenated), an '02
Tacoma and a '97 Tundra. Oh, well....... ;)

I have a couple of folks trying to tempt me with a '39 GMC 1/2T and an
old Studebaker 1/2T. Who knows........

Oh, do the Studebaker, RD! Please, please...

I'll be your friend...I'll be your best friend! 8D

Unfortunately, I have little skill with automotive renovation. Or even
a place to work, what with three cars and four motorcycles. Wife is not
quite to the way "bike goes or I do" stage. It might be a tough choice. ;P

Still, we're looking at a log house on 27 acres next to a state park. I
might even take a jc course...

--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

BamaBrian wrote in
:

RD (The Sandman) wrote:
wf3h wrote in

:

On Sep 29, 2:16 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
wf3h wrote
innews:e60e9c3d-30c2-4a6b-884e-051e4b55
:
not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no union shop.
Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s
should get the same pay I did. Didn't like it then, wouldn't like
it now.
Meri
t
pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you
have trouble passing muster.

--

if life were only that simple...and if management really always
promoted on 'merit'.

I had no problem with two companies and a 30 year career. Now, I am
retired.....haven't had a car payment since 1989.....a house payment
since 1994. Just dabble around rebuilding older trucks. Just
finished a '69 Ford 1/2T (390V8, belly tank, 4 wheel disc brakes, new
interior) for my brother in law. Am currently working on a '66 Chevy
1/2T for my nephew (383 roller motor, aluminum heads, 7004r trannie,
four wheel disc brakes, new interior replacing a tired 6 banger and 4
wheel drums). Just gave a '69 Chevy 1/2T to my niece's husband
(disc brakes, 383CID, Turbo 350) and a '72 FJ40 (350V8, four wheel
discs) to another brother in law.

Oh, those are in addition to a '94 Toyota Pickup (rejuvenated), an
'02 Tacoma and a '97 Tundra. Oh, well....... ;)

I have a couple of folks trying to tempt me with a '39 GMC 1/2T and
an old Studebaker 1/2T. Who knows........

Oh, do the Studebaker, RD! Please, please...

Problem is parts. There are very few and those that are are very
expensive. Most of the sheetmetal will have to done by hand from
scratch. If I did it it would probably end up with a Chevy powerplant
anyway as those are a dime a dozen, comparatively.

I'll be your friend...I'll be your best friend! 8D

Unfortunately, I have little skill with automotive renovation. Or
even a place to work, what with three cars and four motorcycles. Wife
is not quite to the way "bike goes or I do" stage. It might be a
tough choice. ;P

Hmmmm, I live on a "property" with a house, two double carports and a 32
X 20 shop. One of the reasons, I bought this property was to add to it.
Put the shop in about 5 years ago. Excellent investment.

Still, we're looking at a log house on 27 acres next to a state park.
I might even take a jc course...

Sounds good.......You should have a terrific view and a very private
backyard. ;) Mines only a couple of acres.



--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

"Fear is the foundation of most governments."

President John Adams

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 30, 11:13*am, BamaBrian wrote:
wf3h wrote:

and show us how lack of unions causes them to thrive. go ahead. we'll
wait

show us all how unions cause companies to thrive, trollboi wf3h.

certainly europe seems to have no problems with unions. their
productivity is equal to ours, etc etc.



OH-TAY! *You lose, Buhwhee.


oh. again you don't do data. you're a dittohead so just take rush at
his word


"Top 20 semiconductor companies saw 21% sales surge in Q2"http://www.edn.com/article/CA6674126.html

and guess where they are located.

I'm going to put you in the killfile in the computer under my desk.
While you're down there, you know what to kiss.

if i wanted to kiss you there, i'd have to move your face out of the
way...

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 30, 11:14*am, BamaBrian wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
....
On Sep 29, 10:58 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get
some instead of chugging down union koolaid.......
--
\
says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of
christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are
doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout
Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your
big job was "wet bench installer".

--

seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is.
no surprise. we work for a living

Hell of a difference between a field engineer and a design engineer. *I was
an FE while getting my degree in EE.

He's an engineer the same way that janitors are "Sanitation Engineers".


still can't tell us what an engineer is, eh?

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 30, 11:14 am, BamaBrian wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 29, 10:58 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you
get
some instead of chugging down union koolaid.......
--
\
says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of
christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are
doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout
Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your
big job was "wet bench installer".

--

seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is.
no surprise. we work for a living

Hell of a difference between a field engineer and a design engineer. I
was
an FE while getting my degree in EE.

He's an engineer the same way that janitors are "Sanitation Engineers".


still can't tell us what an engineer is, eh?

Actually it depends on which states laws you reference. Some states say you
have to have your PE registration to be called an engineer. Others require
less, and some require nothing. I had engineers with degrees and without
degrees working for and with me. Some of each were good, and others sucked
as design engineers with even a Masters from Berkeley in Engineering. But
there is a hell of difference between an FE and a design engineer and lots
of differences between FE's. When I designed Disk Controllers for DEC
systems, there were 2 FE's in the country you did not want a call from. One
a black FE in Florida and the other a biker guy from CA. Both were among
the best FE's I have dealt with. You knew if they called it was not a
hardware problem, it was a design bug and you were going to be on an
airplane shortly. And most FE's from the 70's on were board swappers, not
good trouble shooters. Because you could change 1/4 or more of a computer
with one board change. They did not have to know how the system really
functioned like when we had 2 flip-flops on a board with discrete
transistors. And hundreds of boards in a system. I have an EE degree and
passed the EIT, but never worked in a position where I needed a PE
registration. So never had a PE to sign off on my work as well as taking
the exam. So some states I can not call myself an engineer legally.
Answer your question?

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You should have titled this Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is
full benefits for illegal aliens at the expense of seniors who they are attempting to
cut at every turn.....AAC



On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:53:02 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote:


"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 30, 11:14 am, BamaBrian wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 29, 10:58 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you
get
some instead of chugging down union koolaid.......
--
\
says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of
christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are
doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout
Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your
big job was "wet bench installer".

--

seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is.
no surprise. we work for a living

Hell of a difference between a field engineer and a design engineer. I
was
an FE while getting my degree in EE.

He's an engineer the same way that janitors are "Sanitation Engineers".


still can't tell us what an engineer is, eh?

Actually it depends on which states laws you reference. Some states say you
have to have your PE registration to be called an engineer. Others require
less, and some require nothing. I had engineers with degrees and without
degrees working for and with me. Some of each were good, and others sucked
as design engineers with even a Masters from Berkeley in Engineering. But
there is a hell of difference between an FE and a design engineer and lots
of differences between FE's. When I designed Disk Controllers for DEC
systems, there were 2 FE's in the country you did not want a call from. One
a black FE in Florida and the other a biker guy from CA. Both were among
the best FE's I have dealt with. You knew if they called it was not a
hardware problem, it was a design bug and you were going to be on an
airplane shortly. And most FE's from the 70's on were board swappers, not
good trouble shooters. Because you could change 1/4 or more of a computer
with one board change. They did not have to know how the system really
functioned like when we had 2 flip-flops on a board with discrete
transistors. And hundreds of boards in a system. I have an EE degree and
passed the EIT, but never worked in a position where I needed a PE
registration. So never had a PE to sign off on my work as well as taking
the exam. So some states I can not call myself an engineer legally.
Answer your question?

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Oct 1, 3:42*pm, AnAmericanCitizen wrote:
You should have titled this Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is
full benefits for illegal aliens at the expense of seniors who they are attempting to
cut at every turn.....AAC


guess you don't know the right is in favor of illegal immigration
because it gives them cheap labor.