On Sep 24, 9:42*am, Davej wrote:
On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)


"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).


"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91


"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)


"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)


"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.


"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union


"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring


"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5


"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7


"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34


"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation


Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "


from http://www.sponsonguy.com


Tim Ingram

On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:





On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy"
Ingram's business venture!

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)


"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).


"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91


"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)


"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)


"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.


"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union


"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring


"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5


"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7


"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34


"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation


Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "


from http://www.sponsonguy.com


Tim Ingram

On Sep 24, 3:22*pm, Wilko wrote:
Davej wrote:
snip

Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use
talking to a deranged individual.

A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but
all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is
unreasonable.

He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email
has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he
starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to
notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of
his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf
all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on!

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)


"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).


"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91


"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)


"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)


"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.


"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union


"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring


"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5


"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7


"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34


"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation


Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "


from http://www.sponsonguy.com


Tim Ingram

On Sep 24, 3:54*pm, "Cricket" wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message

...





Davej wrote:
snip

Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use
talking to a deranged individual.

A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but
all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is
unreasonable.

He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email
has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he
starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to
notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his
drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all
over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on!

--
Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
* * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Not to mention which, someone who wanted sponsons could easily make them,
and a lot of canoes designed for fishing come with what amounts to the same
thing. * I know any number of people who have them (and, irony of ironies,
the one person I know personally who drowned while fishing was using a canoe
that had sort of a outrigger/sponson dealy he could use, but he didn't
attach it - though he probably had a heart attack and drowned, rather than
falling out and drowning.)

Ingram seems to think that the whole human race is too appallingly stupid to
figure out that if you want floaty things, you're entitled to attach them to
your boat - or to yourself (floatation devices - what a concept!).

As the canoeists little book of wisdom (or paddler's, I forget which),
says - "Always wear brightly colored flotation devices while paddling frigid
artic waters - it makes it *so* much easier to retrieve the bodies".

Sponsons are and always have been available to anyone who wants to
make/buy/attach them. *Be happy - do we want to think of what the man would
fixate on if this particular crusade came to fruition?

Cricket- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)


"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).


"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91


"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)


"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)


"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.


"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union


"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring


"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5


"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7


"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34


"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation


Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "


from http://www.sponsonguy.com


Tim Ingram

On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:





On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy"
Ingram's business venture!

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)


"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).


"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91


"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)


"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)


"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.


"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union


"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring


"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5


"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7


"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34


"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation


Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "


from http://www.sponsonguy.com


Tim Ingram

On Sep 25, 7:28*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:

On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy"
Ingram's business venture!

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple *means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

And the latest batch of puppy puke came in five identical batches!!

PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!

;-)

John Kuthe...

On Sep 25, 9:51*am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:28*am, TimIngram wrote:





On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:

On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy"
Ingram's business venture!

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent
children and adults a simple *means to save their lives and any other
victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent
"rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as
proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries.
Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims
to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent
instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people,
even common stupidity.

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America,
first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other
than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he
or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-
not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to
pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD
up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that
don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The
idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

And the latest batch of puppy puke came in five identical batches!!

PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!
PUKE!

;-)

John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi John:

Thank you for your intelligent and sensitive post. Probably
you have not read all of the sponsons website material (there is a
great deal). But rowing shells and canoes and kayaks are not at all
comparable, rowing shells have not crossed both Atlantic and Pacific
oceans, although canoes and kayaks with sponsons have done so. The
level of intelligence and sensitivity of the people who use rowing
shells is higher than the canoe and kayak lobbies. Not only do rowing
shell people have a higher level of education than canoe and kayak
lobby groups, but more importantly, the big money and ego enhancement
in canoes and kayaks comes from deadly "safety" instruction.

Murderous Fraud that almost every intelligent person can see; since
all of the major authors have indicated that this "safety"
instruction, whether paddlefloating or Eskimo Rolling kayaks (world
champions in Greenland use powerboats when rolls fail, not assisted
rescues), canoe over canoe or any other open canoe rescues are only
effective to risk capsize of more canoes, being highly circumstantial
in description and ludicrously unfit for the entrusting of human
life.
The baseline truth of this is what a judge and jury think about these
boy scout and girl guide rescues that have literally tortured
innocent
children to death. Drowning is an agonizing death as well as slow
death by hypothermia. The child survivors are scarred for life. These
deaths are agonizing for adults too!


You know, rec.boats.paddle is an excellent forum for a social
psychology study into exactly the same phenomena as the famous
Milgram
experiments at Yale. Dr. Stanley Milgram was deeply affected by the
personalities of the Nazis on trial at Nuremberg. The most striking
observation was how "normal" these Nazis appeared to be. (Read the
new
book "Hunting Eichmann".) In fact back in Israel in the fifties,
Eichmann on trial was thought by some Israelis to be a mere "clerk
mentality" in a genocidal bureaucracy. In fact Eichmann actively
counselled other Nazis at the camps who were distressed when killing
the children. Eichmann's advice was always "kill them before they
breed." This helped the Nazis "get over it", by thinking of these
little kids as "dangerous breeders", although they looked like
innocent children. Eichmann deserved his death. Eichmann was no
simple clerk.


The American Canoe Association has consistently counselled the
deliberate endangerment of Americans, Canadians, and others since
1993, when I decided it was important to push the sponsons issue.
Initially the response was overwhelmingly positive, Dave Harrison at
Canoe Magazine and Chris Cunningham at Sea Kayaker Magazine, John
Dowd
and Derek Hutchinson. (Derek even had the UK Coast Guard's principal
marine surveyor Captain Thompson contact me after the Lyme Bay kids
were killed.) See the captain's letter to me in my book at
Amazon.com :"Canoe and Kayak Scam Kills 1000 Americans", p.22


But fraudulent safety instructors not only sell canoes and kayaks,
they sell ludicrous and expensive instruction that goes along in the
typical "bait and switch" fraud pitch: "If that doesn't work then you
can try this, always good to have in your bag of tricks." Sometimes
referred to as "repertoire", as if a victim in the water has the time
to go through a list of ridiculous "rescues" while losing body heat
and dexterity, slowly dying in the water.


You see, the history of human lifesaving in seafaring nations has
usually upheld the highest standards of the value of human life. The
American Canoe Association and some rec.boats.paddle posters here are
a human anomaly, not unlike those on trial at Nuremberg. The judge
and
jury of any country will not be pleased to try these deadly "rescues"
in a swimming pool. In law a "reasonably prudent person" will not
entrust their loved ones to these rescues. In contrast, 50 cent
sponsons enabling 2 little girls to rescue themselves and anyone else
without practice or instruction, demonstrate the Atlantic and Pacific
truth of sponsons.


My original sponsons were long and narrow partly to appeal to human
nature, since most human beings are very easily tricked. At least in
a
picture these were easily understood. But fatter and shorter sponsons
with a single clip, the 50 cent "midpoint sponsons" at the patent
offfice in Washington, D.C. (but free to anyone), made of foam or
constructed like a CO2 inflatable PFD with a bladder, back-up
inflator
etc. (very compact otherwise, fitted unseen to the gunwale lines of
canoes and kayaks), even rolled-up sleeping mats for cash-poor boy
scouts and kid camps, are understood by the better students of high
school level physics. (It is a simple buoyancy/ballast equation that
creates ocean-crossing stability.) See http://www.sponsonguy.com


However our world here on the internet documents numerous scams to
profit the few at the expense of society. This canoe and kayak scam
has killed far more than Madoff (who was encarcerated very quickly,
perhaps for his own safety and "visibility of justice" as much as
anything else). Criminal courts rarely proceed as fast as the Madoff
trial, giving credence to former Israeli PM Olmert's connections to
Madoff and other operators, in Olmert's current trial for fraud in
Israel right now. It is a complex world, but money trails are often
the best detective routes to find out what is going on. The American
Canoe Association knows this. Read my books. See their letters there.


If America lets American kids die in canoes and kayaks though fraud,
the country has little chance of protecting the general population.
But I guess most of us are smart enough to know this already.


Thanks again John, Tim


On Aug 31, 9:05 am, wrote:



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On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

Hi Tim,
How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What
organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about
childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has
there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a
year do you sell?

Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats

On Sep 27, 9:03*am, wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:



Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

Hi Tim,
How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What
organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about
childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has
there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a
year do you sell?

Not nearly enough! Otherwise, we wouldn't have all these deaths!!

Hmmm, I've been WW kayaking for about 16 years now, and flat water
canoeing a few more years than that, and I can only recount personal
knowledge of 2 or 3 deaths "on" the water! One was my brother who had
a heart attack, but managed to paddle into an eddy and get out of his
boat before he died. Another was a buddy who got trapped in a strainer
and drowned.

Sponsons would have not helped in either of these cases. Eh Tim? ;-)

John Kuthe...

The sick puppy puked TWICE!!

Answer my question Tim!

John Kuthe...