Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

from http://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

IMHO YES!!!

That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD
in the world!!

John Kuthe...

On Sep 20, 7:45*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote:

On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

IMHO YES!!!

That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD
in the world!!

John Kuthe...

JJ, there's a new television commercial where the guy sez "...I'm a
meatetarian. It's a lifestyle choice; you have to make a
commitment..." and then they go on to show this gawdawful two-meat-
patty, cheese and ***bacon*** covered burger, and I think "gee-Zeus,
they put heroin dealers in jail and let fast-food operators and
cigarette manufacturers run free?"

Golly, this is twice in one year you and I have agreed upon something!

On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

Dear Dave:

Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those
citizens who may endanger try to save you. Also of course you endanger
innocent children who may not understand how stupid you are, refusing
sponsons and eating at McDonalds both. Your attitude is why the GOP is
high comedy and America is the laughingstock of the world. Sadly,
innocent Americans are the main victims of their own country that
insists on gluttinous stupidity for a general operating modus.
Americans deserve both democracy and an education, like anyone else.
Most Americans are decent and intelligent people and understand
exactly what I am talking about at http://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim

On Sep 21, 5:26*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

Dear Dave:

Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those
citizens who may endanger try to save you. [...]

When I have a heart attack and flip my car over while driving to the
river your silly sponsons are not going to save me.

On Sep 21, 7:26*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:

Tim

Your'e a bigger nut than Mike Vandeman.

On Oct 1, 10:33*pm, pmh wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:26*am, TimIngram wrote:

On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:

Tim

Your'e a bigger nut than Mike Vandeman.

You apparently enjoy knowing over 1,500 men, women and children in the
US are dead and over 100 are murdered in the US every year in canoes
and kayaks, in agonizing deaths (terminal waterboarding), documented
by the US Coast Guard. Are you a sleeper Al Queda or just a GOP
campaign manager, attempting to recruit Sarah Palin? You enjoy
murdering Americans?

Rec.boats.paddle posters visit Nuremberg (See Rec.Boats.Paddle
Posters
Visit Nuremberg) but desperately cling to any specious excuses (one
heart attack, not related to being unable to get out of the water and
one death accomplished by paddling on a river with fallen trees,
rocks
etc. to create a drowning, also unrelated to no means to get out of
deadly water); compared to over 1,500 murders documented by the U.S.
Coast Guard, adding over 100 new deaths every year, simply due to
leaving victims to die in the water, like the Darlington school boys.
Two (2) for over 1,500 and over 100 new deaths every year. It is
tough
to live in America with no Democracy and a jobless economy, while 2
wars are fought in Iraq and Afghanistan to "bring Democracy" to the
bombed and bleeding citizens there. At least the citizens of America
are not bombed for Democracy yet; although in my recent post
"Canoeing
in America" after Katrina, the story is chilling. Most Americans are
much more realistic than the angry and cruel cult represented on
rec.boats.paddle; happily justifying over 1,500 murders, just as poor
whites fought for slavery in the American Civil War, just so they
could feel better about themselves; having, at least, more freedom
than slaves. Principal dynamics in America do not change:

How were 1,500 American men, women and children murdered (every year
over 100 new victims die in canoes and kayaks according to the U.S.
Coast Guard), by the American Canoe Association (and other Americans
on rec.boats.paddle) who enjoy killing Americans, even American
children in American schools, on American soil. It is very simple:
Canoes and kayaks are the most unstable form of boat in the history
of
the world, accomplished by narrow beam without any form of
stabilizing
beam buoyancy in emergencies. So school children, for example the
dead
boys at Darlington School in Rome, Georgia (near Atlanta) easily
capsized on a school trip.


Even experts easily capsize canoes and kayaks, even in mild
conditions
of wind and waves; all it takes is a second of inattention to the
balance of the narrow craft. Any judge or jury can easily demonstrate
this simple fact in a swimming pool. The dead Darlington School boys
were murdered by denying them any means to get out of the water.
These
boys died in terror, thinking of their loving families because no
other canoes could rescue them; although Boy Scouts of America and
the
American Canoe Association proclaims that the canoe-over-canoe rescue
could have saved them! Of course this is a lie. More canoes
attempting
to rescue the boys would have capsized as well, without any emergency
beam stability called sponsons.


All of this is very obvious. Two 10 year old girls without expensive,
fraudulent instruction can rescue themselves in 5 seconds with 50
cent
sponsons: http://www.sponsonguy.com


The interesting thing for America is that some Americans evidently
enjoy murdering American men, women and children at a rate of over
100
agonizing deaths every year. Rec.boats.paddle, as I have said in a
recent post, provides the forum to investigate these crimes against
American citizens; just as the Nuremberg trials provided Stanley
Milgram with the opportunity to study Nazis up close, and remark how
"normal" these human monsters could appear. The Milgram Studies at
Yale, replicated throughout the world, are the most famous psychology
experiments ever done, studying the nature of human evil. The gist is
very simple: like the rec.boats.paddle posters here, the human
tendency is to approve of what the perpetrators see as "normal", i.e.
leave innocent American children to die in the water because canoe
over canoe rescues, or a dozen other, even more ridiculous canoe and
kayak rescues, cannot get them out of the water. In fact, these
fraudulent rescues are effective in capsizing more canoes and kayaks,
for the highest possible death toll. And the victims are blamed for
their own deaths for not buying more fraudulent instruction! All of
this is simple truth available to any judge and jury in the world.
Interestingly American citizens suffer more than any other country
from this scam. Americans deserve protection and democracy in
America.
Most Americans do not deserve to die.


Most Americans understand the simple truth, make unstable canoes and
kayaks more stable in emergencies: " In this book I would like to
emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, ...


read more »

On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

Hi Tim,
How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What
organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about
childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has
there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a
year do you sell?

Roger
www.virginiarowing.com
Edon Recreational Rowing Boats

On Sep 27, 9:03*am, wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:



Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

Hi Tim,
How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What
organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about
childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has
there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a
year do you sell?

Not nearly enough! Otherwise, we wouldn't have all these deaths!!

Hmmm, I've been WW kayaking for about 16 years now, and flat water
canoeing a few more years than that, and I can only recount personal
knowledge of 2 or 3 deaths "on" the water! One was my brother who had
a heart attack, but managed to paddle into an eddy and get out of his
boat before he died. Another was a buddy who got trapped in a strainer
and drowned.

Sponsons would have not helped in either of these cases. Eh Tim? ;-)

John Kuthe...