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JohnH[_5_] September 15th 09 08:55 PM

The Dick Cheney
 
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:00:54 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/


Yup, and their front page (aclu.org) last week had a link to an article
stating that they did just that, but were sure it was not illegal... Or
maybe they already have assurances from Holden... no, that would never
happen. snerk


So now you are against someone trying to support military lawyers??????
Why, because they are liberal?? Again, why not answer, where are the
cites for these alleged photos of CIA agents families? Where are the
cites for the allegations that the ACLU showed said photos to detainees
at Gitmo? Do you really think that they could get away with something
like that???


Here, Loogy, now hush.
--

John H

JohnH[_5_] September 15th 09 08:56 PM

The Dick Cheney
 
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:02:17 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,

says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."
Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.
Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?
Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!
What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



So the ACLU are "terrorists"??????????


In my opinion, yes...


True, I remember being called a terrorist right here in rec.boats by the
right wingers.


Cite, please?
--

John H

NotNow[_3_] September 15th 09 09:47 PM

The Dick Cheney
 
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:02:17 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,

says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."
Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.
Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?
Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!
What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



So the ACLU are "terrorists"??????????
In my opinion, yes...

True, I remember being called a terrorist right here in rec.boats by the
right wingers.


Cite, please?
--

John H


rec.boats.

jps September 15th 09 11:26 PM

The Dick Cheney
 
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:14:53 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:


On 12-Sep-2009, H the K wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."




That is one of the funniest comments I have ever seen on usenet.

Dick Cheney is a traitor, a man who ought to be investigated, indicted,
tried and if found guilty, convicted of any number of felonies.


How's the Thorazine supply?

If what you babbled were true in anyone's fantasy, the scum in congress
would have done something about it.


Congress doesn't prosecute war crimes from what I understand. That'll
be the AG's job.

I don't think Cheney would mind being locked up. Between his man-size
safe and the bunker in which he's spent so much time, the guy doesn't
seem to mind small spaces. He won't have the freedom to head off to
Wyoming tho'. Wouldn't that be a shame.

JustWait September 16th 09 02:01 AM

The Dick Cheney
 
In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,

says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/
Yup, and their front page (aclu.org) last week had a link to an article
stating that they did just that, but were sure it was not illegal... Or
maybe they already have assurances from Holden... no, that would never
happen. snerk

So now you are against someone trying to support military lawyers??????
Why, because they are liberal?? Again, why not answer, where are the
cites for these alleged photos of CIA agents families? Where are the
cites for the allegations that the ACLU showed said photos to detainees
at Gitmo? Do you really think that they could get away with something
like that???


No, and I hope they will not. But if it is reported as much as the
recent ACORN tapes, no mention in the MSM, the result will be the same.

Are you going to answer the questions? YOU said that the ACLU took
pictures of CIA agents and their families and showed them to the
detainees at Gitmo. Do you really think that could happen and there'd be
no documentation, no resistance from government officials, no complaints
by the alleged CIA agents or their families?


Don't you get it... There was complaints by the CIA, ignored, there was
resistance from Government officials, ignored by the congressional
leadership, there were complaints, you just need to expand your news
intake to someone who is not actively campaigning for Obama policy...

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait September 16th 09 02:02 AM

The Dick Cheney
 
In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,

says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,

says...
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/

Damn it Gene, it doesn't matter. The right wing has spoon fed the lies,
therefore even if the are lies, they'll repeat them thousands of times.
did you read his links, where did I lie??? You guys are amazing, not
only don't you read or follow our posts, you don't even read your own
cites...

Did you read my statement to Gene? I never said YOU lied. I said it is a
lie that the ACLU took pictures of CIA agents and their families and
showed them to detainees at Gitmo


And I say it's not, as long as "is, is still is"... A group arm of the
ACLU took pictures and those pictures were shown to alleged enemies of
the state, taken on the field of battle... That is outing covert agents,
the pics were taken outside their homes. That, the ACLU freely admitted
on their homepage link, last week...


Cite?


I went to the ACLU site and they have obviously taken it down since the
investigation started. I am not going to dig any further, either call me
a liar, or search further, either way, you don't read what I cite anyway
so I guess I am too busy...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Steve[_9_] September 16th 09 03:01 AM

The Dick Cheney
 

On 15-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

More evidence of the systemic, mental derangement of D vs R syndrome.
Hope
you get better. Most people don't.



Why don't you yell some more. It'll make you feel better. Then you can get

your gun and shoot something.


That's irrational, like your perceptions. I have adapted accordingly to what
WAS the U.S. As the country WAS will NEVER be with the 3rd world mind set of
the current inhabitants.

Steve[_9_] September 16th 09 03:03 AM

The Dick Cheney
 

On 15-Sep-2009, Gene wrote:

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/


I agree with you! The people in the U.S. should be brought to their KNEES!

Steve[_9_] September 16th 09 03:06 AM

The Dick Cheney
 

On 15-Sep-2009, H the K wrote:

Card carrying terrorists, apparently. Didn't someone on the right say
something like "he's a card carrying ACLU...."



*I* am a proud, card-carrying member of the ACLU, because, unlike
righties, I believe in civil liberties.


That's like being Michael Jackson and operating a chain of day care centers.

nom=de=plume September 16th 09 05:28 AM

The Dick Cheney
 
"Steve" wrote in message
...

On 15-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

More evidence of the systemic, mental derangement of D vs R syndrome.
Hope
you get better. Most people don't.



Why don't you yell some more. It'll make you feel better. Then you can
get

your gun and shoot something.


That's irrational, like your perceptions. I have adapted accordingly to
what
WAS the U.S. As the country WAS will NEVER be with the 3rd world mind set
of
the current inhabitants.



You're the one who used all caps...

--
Nom=de=Plume




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