"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c
heck
And healthcare claims....

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/



Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts.

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"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.

Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.

Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they
are what you claim.

The problem with the health care speech is it does not match the House bill.
And the OP was about the HS speech. Most of the uproar was not about the
speech but the lesson plans and other stuff that went along with the speech.

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.

Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.

Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

"Eddie" wrote in message
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In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie


Very easy to cite an impossibly complicated hypothetical, then answer the
question any way you want to...

No one is refused EM care. Should we institute national ID cards? ... cause
that's what it'll take... Seems like a lot of expense for very little
savings.

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

But not free.. If you need free health care, you gotta' come here and
screw the system, well as long as you are not a citizen...

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Wafa free since 2009

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

If it was as you state, we in Califonia would be saving a lot of billions in
healthcare costs.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:43:12 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.
But not necessarily better.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.
You mean like Steve McQueen did, right? Do you remember "alternative"
Mexican treatments like coffee enemas and laetrile? You don't?
Why anyone would go to a third world county like Mexico for medical
treatment puzzles me. Because it's cheaper? Hell, here it's free!
Ever hear of Medicaid? "If you can't afford to pay for medical care
right now, Medicaid can make it possible for you to get the care that
you need so that you can get healthy – and stay healthy." **

I owned a wholesale flower business from 1979 to 2002. I employed
only Mexican workers, all which were illegal *but* showed me a SS card
when they were hired. I knew the SS cards were bogus, but I also was
not the police so I did not investigate whether they were genuine or
not. It was not my job. I had a large turnover of employees over the
years and I know about health care in Mexico, not only from what I
heard from them, but from my brother-in-law, who immigrated to the
U.S. from Mexico. He is a physician, a neurosurgeon in fact. So I
probably know more about Mexican health care than most on this group.
If you're a rich Mexican you'll have access to good medical care, by
coming to America! And not only Mexicans, but Canadians, Spaniards
(Jose Carrera, opera tenor) Arab Sheiks from the UAE, from Italy, the
Prime Minister, Desmond Tutu, The King of Tonga, and thousands more
from countries with free medical care. So why America? Why do these
thousands come here when they have "good" medical care in their own
countries? Why?
And now can you imagine the droves of sick people who will come here
for medical treatments when they find out it's free to non-citizens?
Again, no ID required, no proof of U.S. citizenship, no questions of
national status or origin, no questions of birthplace, and again, no
English required, because by law an interpreter *must* be provided. At
no cost of course. Well, no cost to the applicant, but a cost to the
American tax payer. I can just imagine the laughter across the world
after hearing of obamacare and how stupid we must be to allow this to
happen.
btw, I got paid today, and I noticed my net pay is down a little due
to new taxes. And all this despite lower taxes for "95% of Americans"
according to the messiah. I consider myself one of the "95%" and I'm
still waiting for my taxes to go down. Has yours gone down? Anyone?
Just curious
Eddie

**http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Medicaidgeninfo/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

thunder wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

A lot of people are going to other countries for healthcare to save money.

Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

Bull****.