On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:00:16 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:13:20 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:28:23 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:05:49 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I wonder when the folks in DC and other Democrat-run big cities will
see that they keep electing the same troubles over and over and over.

http://tinyurl.com/lkynsa

"The 34 students in one class averaged more than 10 wrong-to-right
erasures on the exam."

Unreal. This takes collusion from the students all the way up the
line.

There seems to be a kind of opposition to accountability in our schools.
After all, it was a Bush plan so it really doesn't need to be
respected...

Let me assure you it has never earned any respect. I have been a
teacher since 1973 (off and on, in Public Schools and industry). Bush
held up the NC system as a model for the 50. Forget it.

Administrators, teachers, and students are now "accountable" and the
students know less than ever. When one defines education as
"accountability," the score on a test becomes the goal.... NOT THE
EDUCATION OF THE STUDENT?

Proof? Easy, I teach at a CC where 65% of the students need
remediation in at least one of the following: math, reading,
composition. Better that 70% require remediation in at least 2 of the
following.....
http://www.news-record.com/content/2..._risk_students

"Accountability" merely gives the bean counters a legal opportunity to
lie with statistics.

Where would we be *without* any standards, Gene?

How do you determine who needs remedial work? How do you determine if
a student has met the standards you've set for the course you teach?
Does the CC have standards, or are you allowed to just 'pass' whomever
you desire and let the next teacher make up the deficit?

There is nothing wrong with a standardized test, if it measures a
students ability to perform the tasks which were the objectives of the
teaching.

Remember also that at a CC you're probably not getting the cream of
the latest graduating crop. I think that's a shame. I always urged
students and parents to take advantage of CC's for the first year or
two just to save a bunch of money. In Virginia, any course taken at a
CC is automatically transferable to a state university.

There you go off the deep end, again:

Standards that don't work are better than no standards (which nobody
mentioned, anyway... so this is another one of your made-up
positions).

CC students are stupid.

How on earth did you learn anything in school before "accountability"
was all the fad?

Student accountability was always a fad in the schools I attended.
Even in the small parochial high school from which I graduated we took
the PSAT, SAT, and other standardized tests. Certification was a
requirement for schools way back then, you know.
--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"