On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:40:45 -0400, Jim wrote:

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jps wrote:
Skanky owners. If their people were treated well, they'd have never
sought to unionize in the first place.

It couldn't have been such a bad place to work. If it was the
employees would seek employment elsewhere. That's what you'd do, isn't
it?
The assumption on your part that it's possible to find other
employment?

Well if the only available employment is "workin at da ca wash" then
they should stop harassing the management and get to work before they
get fired.

So, what you're saying is that if there's no other viable job, then it's
ok for management to exploit the worker? That's certainly not right. It's
called mutual respect, and it works.

Absolutely not. If these guys don't like the conditions of employment they
can walk. There's probably a waiting list full of liberal arts grads
waiting for the opportunity to work at the car wash.


With no other job prospects? Hardly.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, it's a non-skilled job like in a
fastfood place. Anyone without skills would want the job, so there's a
waiting list of applicants. The boss is a grabber with female employees
(let's assume for the sake of this discussion that this behavior is "legal"
even though it isn't). Are you claiming that the "solution" is for the
female employee to quit? Or, is it more reasonable for the boss to be held
accountable for his actions? I believe the latter is more reasonable. If the
boss actually treats his employees with respect, then no one needs to be
held accountable, no action is necessary, no union is needed.


You are making things much too complicated for your mind to deal with,
using your scenarios and suppositions.

I'll lay it out real simply so you and Krause can understand. When times
are tough, people on all strata are unemployed and even car wash
managers are having a rough time making ends meet, advantage goes to
employer who is tasked with keeping his business afloat so that there
will be a place to work when times get better. On the other side of the
coin, when times are good, business is booming, employees are in short
supply, advantage goes to employee until a threshold is reached where
the employer cannot bend to the employees demands and the business is in
jeopardy. So long as the employee doesn't get too greedy everyone wins.
This works pretty well until The "I've got mine screw everyone else
liberal" dweebs stick their noses into it.

OMG. You nearly made sense but had to throw the last line in.

"I've got mine" was penned by a Republican and will forever be
registered, copyrighted and vigilantly protected by the conservative
movement.

Republicans are the folks who don't like to share, unless they feel
like it. Right.