"SteveB" wrote in message
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Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of
a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

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Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count?

Steve

Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what
we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so
many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs were
hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example.

It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money
without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you
want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what
got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some
justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it.
Yet, it was gov't spending that did it.

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In article , jordon@REMOVE-
THISsamiamnot.com says...

Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave

Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Oh nooooooooo!!! But really, if there are that many people around they
will probably be busy cleaning up the feces from earlier visitors
anyway...

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Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article , jordon@REMOVE-
THISsamiamnot.com says...
Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave

Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Oh nooooooooo!!! But really, if there are that many people around they
will probably be busy cleaning up the feces from earlier visitors
anyway...



It's not one of your weekend camping out sites, ****-for-brains.

In article ,
says...

"Jordon" wrote in message
...
JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon
Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave
Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown
soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to
enforce appropriate behavior.

I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington
and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all
the living veterans that are there visiting that would not
take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow
veteran.

I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm
not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to
a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw
someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their
political affiliation, at the very least, there would be
words exchanged.

--
Jordon

I think there may be one or two vets who'd like to share a chaw with Teddy.
Well, the spit part, anyway.

And you know, the number is probably higher than two.

And yeah, I bet you'd really give those veterans a what for. Right before
you got your ass kicked, that is.

Steve

Well, we're back to that whole double standard again.. How many Libs are
screaming about him skipping out on his service, nope, too busy bitching
because Bush didn't get his request granted to go to Viet Nam.... This
is pathetic...

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In article ,
says...

nom=de=plume wrote:
"JLH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that
doesn't make it ok for others.


Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'.

Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a
great point.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson


Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was
based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and
fear-stoking actions.

If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good
or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable
facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8
years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as
"good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African
AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There
are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible
(my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm
sure we're all familar with them.

Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a
year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

But you fail to realize. In most conservative's eyes, that's all just
peachy and great because Bush was a Republican!

What's the ****ing point. We show you video, and lies Obama told during
the campaign, flat out lies, and all you do is blame it on Bush... Obama
lied because he was talking out of his all, making promises he had no
idea if he could keep. But for you it's ok because, it's all Bushes
fault Obama didn't have a clue until Jan 20,09..

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In article ,
says...

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:15:25 -0400, NotNow wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"JLH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that
doesn't make it ok for others.

Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'.

Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a
great point.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was
based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and
fear-stoking actions.

If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good
or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable
facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8
years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as
"good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African
AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There
are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible
(my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm
sure we're all familar with them.

Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a
year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

But you fail to realize. In most conservative's eyes, that's all just
peachy and great because Bush was a Republican!

OK, I'll agree with you again.
--
John H


Good because it's a true statement.

No it's not, it's a flat out bigoted, prejudiced, bold faced lie...

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Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JLH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that
doesn't make it ok for others.



Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'.

Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a
great point.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson


Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale,

Since you'e speaking nicely...

The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any
negative critique of an Obama action.

For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did
it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea.

As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a
'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling.

And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his
eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to
catch up in his first 3/4 of a year.

since Bush's "rationale" was
based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and
fear-stoking actions.

If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good
or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable
facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8
years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as
"good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African
AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There
are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible
(my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm
sure we're all familar with them.

Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a
year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

I love it when the dim bulbs here tell us what the Bush Rational was,
when all they are really doing is spewing fourth an uninformed fairytale
of how they want things to be...

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Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JLH" wrote in message
.. .
Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale,

Since you'e speaking nicely...

The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any
negative critique of an Obama action.

I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of
criticism of Obama from the left.

For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did
it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea.

And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either
a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines.
There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am
not among them.

As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a
'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling.

I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in
such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others.

I may stand corrected. If so, I apologize. You're much different from
the pack.

And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his
eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to
catch up in his first 3/4 of a year.

A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of
necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his
time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying
on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and
condoning torture, and on and on and on.

yeah, and he snuck into your house and took your money, and he killed
your dog, and he sold military info to the Chinese (oh wait, that was
Clinton), well then he got caught on tape taking a bribe (oh wait..) or
he lied to congress and stated "the CIA lied" oh wait.... Oh well,
guess that was all Bush's fault too...

Again, Bush is history.




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Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"JLH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that
doesn't make it ok for others.



Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'.

Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a
great point.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson


Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was
based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and
fear-stoking actions.

If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are
good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite
verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts
from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be
construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example
is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance"
requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin
made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no
need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them.

Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of
a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count?

Steve

Math will be ignored. Numbers are too hard to ignore...

--
Wafa free since 2009

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
news
Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4
of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count?

Steve

Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what
we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so
many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs
were hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example.

It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money
without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you
want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what
got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some
justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it.
Yet, it was gov't spending that did it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Wow. With our debt quadrupling every year, I see a dark and stormy night on
the horizon. But I guess it's like Shopaholic Suzie .......... I got checks
and the bank has money. What's the problem. How do you suggest we get the
current crew up there to examine spending and see how we might get out of
it?

Steve