On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

There are very few people who we can say the world would have been
better if they were not born but Ted Kennedy was one of them.

Very few? What planet do you live on? Don't get me wrong, the
Kennedy's were three generations of assholes.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.

Your idea that his protracted death from cancer is comparable to a
five minute drowning is ridiculous. Look up cancer treatment side
effects, such as x-rays to the throat and never swallowing anything
solid again. Some cancer victims have had the nurses getting high on
their pain medicine while they did without.

Casady


Teddy Kennedy was an alcoholic, and it took him a long time and a good
second marriage to get that disease under control. While an active
drinker, he had a horrific automobile accident and in that an innocent
young woman died.

But that was only one of the albatrosses around Kennedy's neck. One of
his brothers died in World War II, and two were assassinated while in
the service of their country. There are other members of his immediate
family who suffer or suffered from various serious illnesses.

Despite all this, Teddy Kennedy was the *leading* legislator in the
United States Senate, and he was a great humanitarian, a loyal friend,
and a wonderfully decent man.

I didn't know him at all, though I did get to meet him at a couple of
holiday parties in the early 2000's...where he had nothing to drink, and
we did nod at each other when he was out walking his dogs. His walks
would often take him to an office building near Union Station where I
worked as a consultant. He had many old friends who worked in that
building, and in the late afternoon, he'd stop by sometimes to see them
and, I would guess, to visit the men's room.

The twerps who are raving against Kennedy here are nothing more than the
sort of vermin you'd see crawling in the dirt if you lifted up a rotting
log. The really funny thing is that there are *no* high-quality or even
memorable U.S. senators on their side of the political fence.

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:55:59 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:41:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JLH wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:12:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life...
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.
I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.
Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?
Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.
Every Democrat is a hypocrite???
I agree, Loogy.
--
John H

Reverse Harryanism at it's best......

Don't know. I was just agreeing with you.
--
John H

You know, sometimes your acting as if you're stupid gets a little old.
Did you even happen to notice the question mark?????

You know, sometimes your 'reverse Harryanism' gets old. But we put up
with it 'cause we know what you're going through.

I'd feel badly also.

Damn, if I disagree with you, you're ****ed. If I agree with you,
you're ****ed. Hell, I give up.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave

Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

--
Jordon

Jordon wrote:
Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave

Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.



O'Hara wouldn't be able to find arlington cemetery without a freebie map
from a diner, and he'd need a visa and a green card, because the DC area
already has its quota of racist crackers.

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:55:59 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:41:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JLH wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:12:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life...
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.
I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.
Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?
Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.
Every Democrat is a hypocrite???
I agree, Loogy.
--
John H

Reverse Harryanism at it's best......
Don't know. I was just agreeing with you.
--
John H

You know, sometimes your acting as if you're stupid gets a little old.
Did you even happen to notice the question mark?????

You know, sometimes your 'reverse Harryanism' gets old. But we put up
with it 'cause we know what you're going through.

I'd feel badly also.

Damn, if I disagree with you, you're ****ed. If I agree with you,
you're ****ed. Hell, I give up.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson
How can you agree, it was a ****ing QUESTION and you know it. Like I
said, that bull**** gets old fast.

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon
wrote:

Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave

Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown
soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to
enforce appropriate behavior.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon
wrote:

Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave
Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown
soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to
enforce appropriate behavior.
--
John H

You don't think an ordinary citizen, perhaps someone visiting the grave
of a brave relative or comrade would do something to someone spitting on
graves? I damned sure would.

"JLH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that
doesn't make it ok for others.



Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'.

Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a
great point.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson


Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was
based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and
fear-stoking actions.

If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good
or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable
facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8
years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as
"good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African
AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There
are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible
(my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm
sure we're all familar with them.

Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a
year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way.

--
Nom=de=Plume

JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon
Katie Ohara wrote:

If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave
Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where
he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people
around that will make sure that you see the error of your
ways.

Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown
soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to
enforce appropriate behavior.

I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington
and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all
the living veterans that are there visiting that would not
take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow
veteran.

I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm
not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to
a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw
someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their
political affiliation, at the very least, there would be
words exchanged.

--
Jordon