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Let's get this straight...
We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. "The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control." |
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"Old Guzzisti" wrote in message ... Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. "The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control." ....and when it does go wrong, and it surely will, the Dims will blame it on Bush. |
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On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good |
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On Aug 20, 7:32*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good La Colombe Qui Fait Boum!? |
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On Aug 20, 9:47*pm, TopBassDog wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:32*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good La *Colombe Qui Fait Boum!? ich weiss das nicht. |
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"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 20, 9:47 pm, TopBassDog wrote: On Aug 20, 7:32 pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods, and a very progressive (liberal) thinker, penned a column in the Wall street Journal Online that begins: "With a projected $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009, several trillions more in deficits projected over the next decade, and with both Medicare and Social Security entitlement spending about to ratchet up several notches over the next 15 years as Baby Boomers become eligible for both, we are rapidly running out of other people's money. These deficits are simply not sustainable. They are either going to result in unprecedented new taxes and inflation, or they will bankrupt us. "While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system. Instead, we should be trying to achieve reforms by moving in the opposite direction-toward less government control and more individual empowerment. Here are eight reforms that would greatly lower the cost of health care for everyone:...." For the whole text, go to: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html There are valid and workable alternatives to the Dims' socialistic answers to everything that will leave this country bankrupt. Wouldn't it make sense to consider the alternatives rather than reject them out of hand? |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. What did it do for us? The Long Boom. The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. You won't. It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Aug 20, 10:30*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:
There are valid and workable alternatives to the Dims' socialistic answers to everything that will leave this country bankrupt. Wouldn't it make sense to consider the alternatives rather than reject them out of hand? what's amazing about you free market fundies is you ignore history if YOUR solution worked, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. your solution is a failure. that's why the entire advanced world has abandoned it. it's why we have the most expensive and least effective health care in the world and you'll continue masturbating yourself about the fantasies you have about your free market wet dreams... lullabye and good night. |
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On Aug 20, 10:49*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom and the rapid collapse. .. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. IOW anyone who disagrees with you and presents the facts is spewing disinformation uh huh. that's why your solution has failed. because you can't handle reality *(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) what a coincidence. your friend had a right wing friend who WAS intellectually dishonest go figure |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. What did it do for us? The Long Boom. The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. You won't. It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. |
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On Aug 20, 11:08*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service * * *-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. since i'm a progressive, it's unlikely your explanation is correct, isn't it? what i rejected was the CONTENT of his message...a fact you find hard to comprehend. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. as opposed to the great success your friend at the same address had for the last 8 years. you seem unaware of the fact the stock market was at 14000 last year and is at 9000 how. grow up |
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"Old Guzzisti" wrote in message ... Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. What do you care? You already 'have yours'........as long as Uncle Sam is operational. |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. What did it do for us? The Long Boom. The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. You won't. It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. He is nothing but empty rhetoric. Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine sense of history, and intellectual honesty. They not doubt like to think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own reasoning. That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion. They do love the their Leviathon. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. "Finally, the Census Bureau approach ignores several sources of income--benefits and transfers--that have grown significantly. When all of these pieces are out together, the data suggest that median Census income per person has risen by 50% over the past 30 years--not 18%." [...] "Admittedly, this is a touchy issue to write about at a time when millions of our fellow citizens are out of work and facing dim prospects for the future. But doesn't it seem as though good public policy (on trade, immigration and transfers, to name a few) depends on getting the facts right?" http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/30/mid...ts-cooley.html -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt to dodge contesting that fact? -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Aug 20, 9:08*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 20, 9:47*pm, TopBassDog wrote: On Aug 20, 7:32*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good La *Colombe Qui Fait Boum!? ich weiss das nicht. Es bedeutet " die Taube, die Knall geht! " und Sie können mir später danken. |
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On Aug 21, 1:22*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 20, 9:08*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 9:47*pm, TopBassDog wrote: On Aug 20, 7:32*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good La *Colombe Qui Fait Boum!? ich weiss das nicht. Es bedeutet " die Taube, die Knall geht! " und Sie können mir später danken. At least I *Think* that's what it means..... German is kinda tough for me these days. My Grandpa taught me some German when I was a kid....but mostly cuss words . I think mostly to give grandma shock and make my dad mad. |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. -- John H. "The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control." |
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 21, 1:22*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 20, 9:08*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 9:47*pm, TopBassDog wrote: On Aug 20, 7:32*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good La *Colombe Qui Fait Boum!? ich weiss das nicht. Es bedeutet " die Taube, die Knall geht! " und Sie können mir später danken. At least I *Think* that's what it means..... German is kinda tough for me these days. My Grandpa taught me some German when I was a kid....but mostly cuss words . I think mostly to give grandma shock and make my dad mad. ****It meant " the pigeon, which goes to bang! " and you can thank me later.**** According to my translator, that's what you said. But 'Colombe' should be 'dove', if I read Google correctly. Wow, a French and German lesson in the same day! -- John H. "The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control." |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:23:14 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Old Guzzisti" wrote in message .. . Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. What do you care? You already 'have yours'........as long as Uncle Sam is operational. Just think, Donnie, if you'd applied yourself instead of waiting for handouts, you'd be in decent shape too. Now, just sit back and whine like 'wf2wh' or whatever. -- John H. "The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control." |
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On Aug 20, 11:50*pm, wrote:
. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. "Finally, the Census Bureau approach ignores several sources of income--benefits and transfers--that have grown significantly. When all of these pieces are out together, the data suggest that median Census income per person has risen by 50% over the past 30 years--not 18%." thanks for proving me right. 'benefits and transfers' don't benefit the middle class. we're excluded. so, yes, our wages haven't grown in 30 years. thanks again |
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On Aug 21, 12:09*am, wrote:
. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt to dodge contesting that fact? ROFLMAO!! iow you're acknowledging the middle class is being impoverished by the very people you say are making us rich. and, no, we don't have the most affluent middle class in history. we are in a class with other industrialized countries, so your little fantasy about free market economics has led, as you admit, to stagnation for the middle class do you ever READ the stuff you write? |
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On Aug 20, 11:32*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service * * *-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. *He is nothing but empty rhetoric. *Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine sense of history, and intellectual honesty. IOW they disagree with right wing sock puppets... *They not doubt like to think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own reasoning. *That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion. * IOW they don't believe my little free market fairy tales, and dont believe in monsters under the bed like any right wing child would They do love the their Leviathon. somebody's gotta put god on the defensive |
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On Aug 21, 5:41*am, Old Guzzisti wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. and you are a sock puppet for thieves. |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:01 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 20, 11:32*pm, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service * * *-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. *He is nothing but empty rhetoric. *Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine sense of history, and intellectual honesty. IOW they disagree with right wing sock puppets... *They not doubt like to think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own reasoning. *That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion. * IOW they don't believe my little free market fairy tales, and dont believe in monsters under the bed like any right wing child would They do love the their Leviathon. somebody's gotta put god on the defensive Somebody has to be an incessant whiner. -- John H "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:26 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 21, 5:41*am, Old Guzzisti wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. and you are a sock puppet for thieves. A stupid man leaves his possessions in the street and whines when they are removed. -- John H "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 21, 5:41 am, Old Guzzisti wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. and you are a sock puppet for thieves. You do know you are dealing with John Herring here, the guy who spent his entire career sucking the government teat, first in the army and then as a teacher, right? He lives off a taxpayer-provided pension and health care bennies now. In addition he also is a racist and a hater of Latinos. In other words, there's nothing there worth engaging. The p.o.s. is a card-carrying member of the GOP's "I've got mine, so foch you" club. |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:23:36 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 21, 12:09*am, wrote: . *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt to dodge contesting that fact? ROFLMAO!! iow you're acknowledging the middle class is being impoverished by the very people you say are making us rich. No, what I wrote does not even imply such. I was speaking to your claim, which does not go to the point. You need to revisit your cup of coffee. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:29:36 -0400, Guzzistimo
wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:01 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 11:32*pm, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda, and prevarication. (I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but, he wasn't intellectually dishonest.) -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service * * *-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. *He is nothing but empty rhetoric. *Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine sense of history, and intellectual honesty. IOW they disagree with right wing sock puppets... *They not doubt like to think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own reasoning. *That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion. * IOW they don't believe my little free market fairy tales, and dont believe in monsters under the bed like any right wing child would They do love the their Leviathon. somebody's gotta put god on the defensive Somebody has to be an incessant whiner. He's a soma drinker, obviously. A gullible member of the collective. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Aug 21, 7:15*am, wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:23:36 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 21, 12:09*am, wrote: . *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt to dodge contesting that fact? ROFLMAO!! iow you're acknowledging the middle class is being impoverished by the very people you say are making us rich. * * * * No, what I wrote does not even imply such. *I was speaking to your claim, which does not go to the point. *You need to revisit your cup of coffee. my claim was that the middle class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. you confirmed that. perhaps remedial reading would help you. |
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On Aug 21, 6:29*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:01 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: somebody's gotta put god on the defensive Somebody has to be an incessant whiner. -- you feeling up to the job? |
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On Aug 21, 6:30*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:26 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: and you are a sock puppet for thieves. A stupid man leaves his possessions in the street and whines when they are removed. -- glad to see you admit the 'free market' we created in this country by trusting the rich is a form of thievery.... welcome to reality |
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On Aug 21, 6:42*am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 21, 5:41 am, Old Guzzisti wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. and you are a sock puppet for thieves. You do know you are dealing with John Herring here, the guy who spent his entire career sucking the government teat, first in the army and then as a teacher, right? He lives off a taxpayer-provided pension and health care bennies now. In addition he also is a racist and a hater of Latinos. In other words, there's nothing there worth engaging. The p.o.s. is a card-carrying member of the GOP's "I've got mine, so foch you" club.- ah...the 'do as i say, not as i do' crowd...yeah they're always willing to tell others how to what they can't. |
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On Aug 21, 6:00*am, Old Guzzisti wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:23:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Old Guzzisti" wrote in message .. . Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. What do you care? You already 'have yours'........as long as Uncle Sam is operational. Just think, Donnie, if you'd applied yourself instead of waiting for handouts, you'd be in decent shape too. guess he doesn't realize a hundred million middle class wage earners are in the same boat. after all, he's been told by the rich that they're doing OK after having ravaged the middle class....so that means all is right with the world. |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:42 am, H the K wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 21, 5:41 am, Old Guzzisti wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote: Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for us it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of wallstreet. What could possibly go wrong? -- we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd screw us good You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for your stupidity in money matters. and you are a sock puppet for thieves. You do know you are dealing with John Herring here, the guy who spent his entire career sucking the government teat, first in the army and then as a teacher, right? He lives off a taxpayer-provided pension and health care bennies now. In addition he also is a racist and a hater of Latinos. In other words, there's nothing there worth engaging. The p.o.s. is a card-carrying member of the GOP's "I've got mine, so foch you" club.- ah...the 'do as i say, not as i do' crowd...yeah they're always willing to tell others how to what they can't. Which is why their opinions are not worth considering or discussing. |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:19:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 21, 7:15*am, wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:23:36 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 21, 12:09*am, wrote: . *The strongest national economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent middle-class in modern history. which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt to dodge contesting that fact? ROFLMAO!! iow you're acknowledging the middle class is being impoverished by the very people you say are making us rich. * * * * No, what I wrote does not even imply such. *I was speaking to your claim, which does not go to the point. *You need to revisit your cup of coffee. my claim was that the middle class hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years. you confirmed that. perhaps remedial reading would help you. You do realize the Lewis Carroll's heralded work was a piece of fiction? (Or are you unable to even determine why I included this question.) Comprehension would suit you well. There's no debate where comprehension fails. Enjoy. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 20, 10:30 pm, "Lu Powell" wrote: There are valid and workable alternatives to the Dims' socialistic answers to everything that will leave this country bankrupt. Wouldn't it make sense to consider the alternatives rather than reject them out of hand? what's amazing about you free market fundies is you ignore history if YOUR solution worked, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. your solution is a failure. that's why the entire advanced world has abandoned it. it's why we have the most expensive and least effective health care in the world and you'll continue masturbating yourself about the fantasies you have about your free market wet dreams... lullabye and good night. Socialism is an unnatural system that has never succeed. It last until the government that enforces it fails, then the society reverts to the natural free market system. While there are those who think socialism works, even in the immediate family it only works in the with someone to enforce it. Have you seen what happens to a family where the parent delegate their responsibility to the children? Free market "Capitalism" has been working in the world since the start of the worlds oldest profession" and probably earlier. It has move society from a hunter/gather society to our modern society, and in the US one of the most successful society in the history of mankind. It created the United States. I have not checked the statistics recently but the free market system was creating more patents per year than any other county in the world. Shortages are extremely rare in the US, which can not be said for socialist countries. What has been accomplished under socialism? |
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"Old Guzzisti" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:23:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Old Guzzisti" wrote in message . .. Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. What do you care? You already 'have yours'........as long as Uncle Sam is operational. Just think, Donnie, if you'd applied yourself instead of waiting for handouts, you'd be in decent shape too. Now, just sit back and whine like 'wf2wh' or whatever. -- John H. Waiting for handouts?? I was never a member of the US Army..where higher commissions are bestowed on the longest lasting boot-licker. |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:21:04 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 21, 6:30*am, Guzzistimo wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:25:26 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: and you are a sock puppet for thieves. A stupid man leaves his possessions in the street and whines when they are removed. -- glad to see you admit the 'free market' we created in this country by trusting the rich is a form of thievery.... welcome to reality Whoooosh -- John H "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:24:01 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 21, 6:00*am, Old Guzzisti wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:23:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Old Guzzisti" wrote in message .. . Let's get this straight... We're going to pass a health care plan -written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, -passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, -signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, -with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, -overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and... -financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? -- John H. What do you care? You already 'have yours'........as long as Uncle Sam is operational. Just think, Donnie, if you'd applied yourself instead of waiting for handouts, you'd be in decent shape too. guess he doesn't realize a hundred million middle class wage earners are in the same boat. after all, he's been told by the rich that they're doing OK after having ravaged the middle class....so that means all is right with the world. How is socialism going to help your problem? Yes, I'm doing OK. I must be one of the rich. My four brothers are doing OK also. My daughters are doing OK. Either we're all 'rich' (with material assets), or we applied ourselves and worked for what we have. Have you considered doing the same, or is whining your means to an end. BTW, Donnie approves of your whining. He does it also. -- John H "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson |
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