Bozoma SEIU union goons beat a black anti-Obamacare protestor so badly
he had a concussion while the goons yelled racial epiteths, Obama
shows he does not want constitutional law by backing the Chavez
protege Zelaya in Honduras, Obama threatens to show opponents "The
Chicago Way", his "Justice Dept" drops charges against armed black
panthers threatening voters, etc, etc, etc. Can anybody blame a
protestor for showing he is ready to resist Obama thugs by carrying a
gun? His public display of this gun may have prevented Obama goon
violence.
Now that the Obama goons have been put on notice that their violence
will not be tolerated, I'd like to see no more guns but this display
certainly sent the message that a response to the Bozoma goons might
be expected.

On Aug 18, 2:15*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? *ANYTHING?

--
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Even the SEIU propoganda page with the video shows Gladney being
assaulted first by SIEU. SEIU attempts to distort the record but the
video clearly shows Gladney being assaulted for no reason by SEIU
thugs.

On Aug 18, 2:05*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Bozoma SEIU union goons

obama isn't an SEIU member.

and the biggest killers in US history have been conservative.

beat a black anti-Obamacare protestor so badly
he had a concussion while the goons yelled racial epiteths, Obama
shows he does not want constitutional law by backing the Chavez
protege Zelaya in Honduras

you know zip about this. sorry. he was disposed by a coup. i realize
you right wingers don't support the rule of law, but most americans do

, Obama threatens to show opponents "The
Chicago Way", his "Justice Dept" drops charges against armed black
panthers threatening voters, etc, etc, etc. *Can anybody blame a
protestor for showing he is ready to resist Obama thugs by carrying a
gun?

yeah. i can. bush destroyed the constitution, started a war he had no
intention of winning, arrested americans on american soil and threw
them into prison with no representation, turned american middle class
assets over to the rich

and you right wingers applauded all of that.


*His public display of this gun may have prevented Obama goon
violence.
Now that the Obama goons have been put on notice that their violence
will not be tolerated, I'd like to see no more guns but this display
certainly sent the message that a response to the Bozoma goons might
be expected.

go back to your fertilzer/fuel oil bombs.

On Aug 18, 2:15*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? *ANYTHING?

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I looked at the SEIU video that was a tiny portion of the full video
edited to only show an SEIU thug who had fallen to the ground while
barely showing Gladney. The full video was on the SIEU site last week
but has been taken down because it shows what actually happed.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:15:56 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:
http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? ANYTHING?

Well, it's for sure no one could question the SEIU's explanation of
the incident.
--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:
http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? ANYTHING?

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/




No. It's a fear-based strategy, and it works, although not completely.

They're not really attempting to "sway" others to their way of thinking, at
least not directly. They're using the strategy to inject news with their
"facts" (which are usually half-truths or outright lies) in the hope that it
will create doubt in people's minds. In many ways, the accomplices to this
strategy are the news outlets who should be reporting facts as verifiable
facts and opinions as opinions. Dobbs is great example. There are others.
I'm not talking about Fox. ABC and CNN are perfect examples. The major news
organizations believe in "balancing" their reporting (not quite the Fairness
Doctrine, but along those lines), giving equal or semi-equal voice to both
"sides" of a "debate," EXCEPT facts rarely have two sides. The Death Panel
crap is a great example. Calling potential healthcare legislation
"socialist" is another.

And, it's not like the people who are opposed to any gov't involvement in
healthcare are hiding this. They're quite explicit in their hatred for
anything that involves gov't. They don't let the facts get in the way of
their arguments, even when they're called on it. They just smile and cite
more non-facts as facts. Dick Armey is a great recent example. He can't help
himself. They don't even listen to bretheren like Greenspan any more.

You can't really blame Rush and Beck for their nonsense. They're in it for
the money. Of course, with all the sponsors running from Beck, I'm betting
he's going to be told to tone it down. Bottom line, Murdoch is only
interested in money.

I really liked the diatribe against organized labor. I guess it's easy to
forget why unions started... poor management, including exploiting workers
and decisions by management that endangered the public good. It's easy to
forget because you actually have to make an effort to read history.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me some 30 years ago. Feel free to
call me a liar.

I was working for a defense contractor in a first-line management role. We
had lots of unions at the facility. One of my roles, and those of my
colleages', was to get work done by members of a union... a very powerful
union. We developed personal relationships with many of them, both out of
necessity and out of respect for the hard job they did. One union worker was
a dwarf who used crutches to get around. He was a wonderful guy, quite
competent, a bit gruff, but that was just on the surface. We treated him
with respect, and he did the work we gave him, even if it meant not taking
his authorized break. One day the managers group got word from on high that
we were no longer allowed to "talk" to the workers, except if it involved
"business" discussion about the actual work. Why? We were told it wasted
time. So, the next time I had something for Stan, I walked over to his area,
handed him the spec, and started to walk away, since everything was
self-explanatory. He tried to engage me in a personal conversation, but I
said that I was sorry, but I couldn't speak to him except about business.
Guess what? He started raising his voice, and all worked stopped on the
floor. The workers, hearing about the new policy, decided that there would
be no exceptions when it came to scheduling work with them. The union
steward was called. They started talking about lawsuits and descrimination.
The policy was rescinded the same day. All returned to normal.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me even longer ago. Again, feel free
to call me a liar.

I was working in a warehouse, and I was required to join a union, a large
one. I had to pay dues, which for me at the time were expensive. I didn't
really want to pay them, but I needed the job. I was running a forklift
among the racks stacked with large generators and pumps, some weighing
hundreds of pounds. The non-union foreman was a big guy, who could be very
intimidating, especially to a young kid new on the job. One day, he called
me over, and said, "Plume, get your ass moving and get such and such piece
down. When you're done with that, put this and such piece it its place on
the rack." He need to get something loaded on an outgoing truck. Ok sir. So,
I'm getting into position to get the piece down from near the top of the
rack... The forklift was one of those stand-up jobs. As I shuttled back,
unbeknownst to me, the foreman had come up behind the lift without saying
anything. When I started to back into him, I saw him out of the corner of my
eye and stopped the lift so I wouldn't run him over. Before I could say
anything, he started screaming at me to get moving, that I was holding
everything up. I got flustered and instead of backing up more, which was
probably a good thing in retrospect, I lurched forward, then jammed on the
brakes. This caused the many hundred pound item to topple the lift into the
rack. This disturbed the multi-level rack, which also started rocking back
and forth. He ran. I had no place to go, but was somewhat protected by the
forklift cage. A half-dozen pieces came raining down. Fortunately no one was
injured. All/most of the pieces were destroyed. He was furious, and
threatened me both physically and that I would lose my job and stomped off
the tell the big boss and get me fired. The union steward was called. The
big boss showed up after a short time, and told me I was fired. The steward
told me to sit tight. There were two other witnesses who basically
corroborated my story. The union steward filed a formal protest against the
foreman. He told the big boss (quietly) to **** off. I worked there the rest
of the summer, and the foreman left me alone.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 18, 2:15 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? ANYTHING?

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/

I looked at the SEIU video that was a tiny portion of the full video
edited to only show an SEIU thug who had fallen to the ground while
barely showing Gladney. The full video was on the SIEU site last week
but has been taken down because it shows what actually happed.


Are you referring to the guy who claimed he had no health insurance and
was asking for donations to pay for his health care insurance? The same
guy who turned out to have health care coverage? That guy?

Sheesh, high-level, capable unionized thuggery had pretty much ended by
the mid-1960's. Too bad. I would have enjoyed seeing a mob of workers
put out of their jobs the last few years by crooked corporate pukes in
suits rush the executive offices and push the MBAs, the lawyers, the
bosses, right out the window after beating their heads in with baseball
bats. Unfortunately, these days when corporations misbehave, they're
bailed out instead of having their officers pushed out.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:
http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? ANYTHING?

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/




No. It's a fear-based strategy, and it works, although not completely.

They're not really attempting to "sway" others to their way of thinking,
at least not directly. They're using the strategy to inject news with
their "facts" (which are usually half-truths or outright lies) in the hope
that it will create doubt in people's minds. In many ways, the accomplices
to this strategy are the news outlets who should be reporting facts as
verifiable facts and opinions as opinions. Dobbs is great example. There
are others. I'm not talking about Fox. ABC and CNN are perfect examples.
The major news organizations believe in "balancing" their reporting (not
quite the Fairness Doctrine, but along those lines), giving equal or
semi-equal voice to both "sides" of a "debate," EXCEPT facts rarely have
two sides. The Death Panel crap is a great example. Calling potential
healthcare legislation "socialist" is another.

And, it's not like the people who are opposed to any gov't involvement in
healthcare are hiding this. They're quite explicit in their hatred for
anything that involves gov't. They don't let the facts get in the way of
their arguments, even when they're called on it. They just smile and cite
more non-facts as facts. Dick Armey is a great recent example. He can't
help himself. They don't even listen to bretheren like Greenspan any more.

You can't really blame Rush and Beck for their nonsense. They're in it for
the money. Of course, with all the sponsors running from Beck, I'm betting
he's going to be told to tone it down. Bottom line, Murdoch is only
interested in money.

I really liked the diatribe against organized labor. I guess it's easy to
forget why unions started... poor management, including exploiting workers
and decisions by management that endangered the public good. It's easy to
forget because you actually have to make an effort to read history.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me some 30 years ago. Feel free to
call me a liar.

I was working for a defense contractor in a first-line management role. We
had lots of unions at the facility. One of my roles, and those of my
colleages', was to get work done by members of a union... a very powerful
union. We developed personal relationships with many of them, both out of
necessity and out of respect for the hard job they did. One union worker
was a dwarf who used crutches to get around. He was a wonderful guy, quite
competent, a bit gruff, but that was just on the surface. We treated him
with respect, and he did the work we gave him, even if it meant not taking
his authorized break. One day the managers group got word from on high
that we were no longer allowed to "talk" to the workers, except if it
involved "business" discussion about the actual work. Why? We were told it
wasted time. So, the next time I had something for Stan, I walked over to
his area, handed him the spec, and started to walk away, since everything
was self-explanatory. He tried to engage me in a personal conversation,
but I said that I was sorry, but I couldn't speak to him except about
business. Guess what? He started raising his voice, and all worked stopped
on the floor. The workers, hearing about the new policy, decided that
there would be no exceptions when it came to scheduling work with them.
The union steward was called. They started talking about lawsuits and
descrimination. The policy was rescinded the same day. All returned to
normal.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me even longer ago. Again, feel
free to call me a liar.

I was working in a warehouse, and I was required to join a union, a large
one. I had to pay dues, which for me at the time were expensive. I didn't
really want to pay them, but I needed the job. I was running a forklift
among the racks stacked with large generators and pumps, some weighing
hundreds of pounds. The non-union foreman was a big guy, who could be very
intimidating, especially to a young kid new on the job. One day, he called
me over, and said, "Plume, get your ass moving and get such and such piece
down. When you're done with that, put this and such piece it its place on
the rack." He need to get something loaded on an outgoing truck. Ok sir.
So, I'm getting into position to get the piece down from near the top of
the rack... The forklift was one of those stand-up jobs. As I shuttled
back, unbeknownst to me, the foreman had come up behind the lift without
saying anything. When I started to back into him, I saw him out of the
corner of my eye and stopped the lift so I wouldn't run him over. Before I
could say anything, he started screaming at me to get moving, that I was
holding everything up. I got flustered and instead of backing up more,
which was probably a good thing in retrospect, I lurched forward, then
jammed on the brakes. This caused the many hundred pound item to topple
the lift into the rack. This disturbed the multi-level rack, which also
started rocking back and forth. He ran. I had no place to go, but was
somewhat protected by the forklift cage. A half-dozen pieces came raining
down. Fortunately no one was injured. All/most of the pieces were
destroyed. He was furious, and threatened me both physically and that I
would lose my job and stomped off the tell the big boss and get me fired.
The union steward was called. The big boss showed up after a short time,
and told me I was fired. The steward told me to sit tight. There were two
other witnesses who basically corroborated my story. The union steward
filed a formal protest against the foreman. He told the big boss (quietly)
to **** off. I worked there the rest of the summer, and the foreman left
me alone.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Good story...and this kind of foolishness happens all too often in the 'real
world'.
People get promoted to lower management positions without any idea on how to
treat the people they supervise. Problems arise and to save face, senior
managers close ranks against the union and the employee it represents.
Usually the union will pervail in a grievance procedure but a lot of
animosity is built up in the meantime.

In article 539ec029-4cad-464b-b584-d433e01dfa14
@c34g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

Bozoma SEIU union goons beat a black anti-Obamacare protestor so badly
he had a concussion while the goons yelled racial epiteths, Obama
shows he does not want constitutional law by backing the Chavez
protege Zelaya in Honduras, Obama threatens to show opponents "The
Chicago Way", his "Justice Dept" drops charges against armed black
panthers threatening voters, etc, etc, etc. Can anybody blame a
protestor for showing he is ready to resist Obama thugs by carrying a
gun? His public display of this gun may have prevented Obama goon
violence.
Now that the Obama goons have been put on notice that their violence
will not be tolerated, I'd like to see no more guns but this display
certainly sent the message that a response to the Bozoma goons might
be expected.

Pffffttt. The guy was probably a lib shill, just like the seiu member
who had the Swasticka at the rally and was seen later in the day in a
sieu shirt handing out pro union pamphlets... It's a distraction from
Pelosi's lies.. She stil has not had to explain the cia lied lie and she
couldn't show any evidence of any repub with a swastika after she said
it had happened. Don't trust the MSM to ask...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Don White wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Demonstrably false crap snipped......

Factual refutation follows:
http://tinyurl.com/nzd5ua

One wonders: is there ANYTHING that some folks won't lie about to try
to sway other folks to their way of thinking? ANYTHING?

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/



No. It's a fear-based strategy, and it works, although not completely.

They're not really attempting to "sway" others to their way of thinking,
at least not directly. They're using the strategy to inject news with
their "facts" (which are usually half-truths or outright lies) in the hope
that it will create doubt in people's minds. In many ways, the accomplices
to this strategy are the news outlets who should be reporting facts as
verifiable facts and opinions as opinions. Dobbs is great example. There
are others. I'm not talking about Fox. ABC and CNN are perfect examples.
The major news organizations believe in "balancing" their reporting (not
quite the Fairness Doctrine, but along those lines), giving equal or
semi-equal voice to both "sides" of a "debate," EXCEPT facts rarely have
two sides. The Death Panel crap is a great example. Calling potential
healthcare legislation "socialist" is another.

And, it's not like the people who are opposed to any gov't involvement in
healthcare are hiding this. They're quite explicit in their hatred for
anything that involves gov't. They don't let the facts get in the way of
their arguments, even when they're called on it. They just smile and cite
more non-facts as facts. Dick Armey is a great recent example. He can't
help himself. They don't even listen to bretheren like Greenspan any more.

You can't really blame Rush and Beck for their nonsense. They're in it for
the money. Of course, with all the sponsors running from Beck, I'm betting
he's going to be told to tone it down. Bottom line, Murdoch is only
interested in money.

I really liked the diatribe against organized labor. I guess it's easy to
forget why unions started... poor management, including exploiting workers
and decisions by management that endangered the public good. It's easy to
forget because you actually have to make an effort to read history.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me some 30 years ago. Feel free to
call me a liar.

I was working for a defense contractor in a first-line management role. We
had lots of unions at the facility. One of my roles, and those of my
colleages', was to get work done by members of a union... a very powerful
union. We developed personal relationships with many of them, both out of
necessity and out of respect for the hard job they did. One union worker
was a dwarf who used crutches to get around. He was a wonderful guy, quite
competent, a bit gruff, but that was just on the surface. We treated him
with respect, and he did the work we gave him, even if it meant not taking
his authorized break. One day the managers group got word from on high
that we were no longer allowed to "talk" to the workers, except if it
involved "business" discussion about the actual work. Why? We were told it
wasted time. So, the next time I had something for Stan, I walked over to
his area, handed him the spec, and started to walk away, since everything
was self-explanatory. He tried to engage me in a personal conversation,
but I said that I was sorry, but I couldn't speak to him except about
business. Guess what? He started raising his voice, and all worked stopped
on the floor. The workers, hearing about the new policy, decided that
there would be no exceptions when it came to scheduling work with them.
The union steward was called. They started talking about lawsuits and
descrimination. The policy was rescinded the same day. All returned to
normal.

Here's a little ditty that happened to me even longer ago. Again, feel
free to call me a liar.

I was working in a warehouse, and I was required to join a union, a large
one. I had to pay dues, which for me at the time were expensive. I didn't
really want to pay them, but I needed the job. I was running a forklift
among the racks stacked with large generators and pumps, some weighing
hundreds of pounds. The non-union foreman was a big guy, who could be very
intimidating, especially to a young kid new on the job. One day, he called
me over, and said, "Plume, get your ass moving and get such and such piece
down. When you're done with that, put this and such piece it its place on
the rack." He need to get something loaded on an outgoing truck. Ok sir.
So, I'm getting into position to get the piece down from near the top of
the rack... The forklift was one of those stand-up jobs. As I shuttled
back, unbeknownst to me, the foreman had come up behind the lift without
saying anything. When I started to back into him, I saw him out of the
corner of my eye and stopped the lift so I wouldn't run him over. Before I
could say anything, he started screaming at me to get moving, that I was
holding everything up. I got flustered and instead of backing up more,
which was probably a good thing in retrospect, I lurched forward, then
jammed on the brakes. This caused the many hundred pound item to topple
the lift into the rack. This disturbed the multi-level rack, which also
started rocking back and forth. He ran. I had no place to go, but was
somewhat protected by the forklift cage. A half-dozen pieces came raining
down. Fortunately no one was injured. All/most of the pieces were
destroyed. He was furious, and threatened me both physically and that I
would lose my job and stomped off the tell the big boss and get me fired.
The union steward was called. The big boss showed up after a short time,
and told me I was fired. The steward told me to sit tight. There were two
other witnesses who basically corroborated my story. The union steward
filed a formal protest against the foreman. He told the big boss (quietly)
to **** off. I worked there the rest of the summer, and the foreman left
me alone.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Good story...and this kind of foolishness happens all too often in the 'real
world'.
People get promoted to lower management positions without any idea on how to
treat the people they supervise. Problems arise and to save face, senior
managers close ranks against the union and the employee it represents.
Usually the union will pervail in a grievance procedure but a lot of
animosity is built up in the meantime.




I worked as a mid-management employee for a large, state public
employees union for a while. After months of negotiations, management
and the bargaining unit were at impasse over a new contract, and the
employees went on strike.


The issue was money, but not the amount available. Management wanted to
determine raises for each level of employee in the bargaining unit, and
the union wanted a say in which levels got what share of the pot.

After 10 days of a strike, upper management ran out of steam on its
bargaining team. I was about the only one left in management who had had
any experience bargaining, and I was asked to take over for management.
I asked what authority I had and was told "complete."

I settled the strike in less than 10 minutes. I signed off on the
bargaining unit's demand for its reps to participate with management in
dividing up the money available for raises. That's all they wanted.
Management thought there were "hidden" issues. There were not.