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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:03:53 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


Now, what's the party line in light of this from Bloomerg?

I don't know what the party line is, but, IMO, Obama better start playing
hardball or his Presidency is going to become a wasted one. His bi-
partisan efforts have failed. The Republicans aren't playing. It's time
for him to control his party, and start ramming legislation down the
Party of No's throat. To allow a small minority to control this debate
is a major mistake.

Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:58:13 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???

No, actually, I think end of life counseling is a good idea, voluntary of
course. Living wills are prudent, and put the decisions in the hands of
the individual, where they belong, not in the hands of grieving loved
ones, who under the emotional stress of the moment, have enough on their
plate.

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:58:13 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???

No, actually, I think end of life counseling is a good idea, voluntary of
course. Living wills are prudent, and put the decisions in the hands of
the individual, where they belong, not in the hands of grieving loved
ones, who under the emotional stress of the moment, have enough on their
plate.

Right now my dad is in the hospital with terminal cancer. We have a
living will made long ago and very specific orders from him on how it's
gonna' go. He is not a candidate for any kind of treatment now except
comfort so I am pretty familiar with planning. We did it with my dad,
two of his best friends, his doctor and his lawyer...

At this time I am completely in charge of his future as he has indicated
to the doctors that this is the way he wants it...

So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

Yeah, a little tricky but we have been planning this for years. Dad is
in no pain, he is completely lucid, and quite content with the lot he
has been dealt. I don't tend to break down in situations until after the
fact so I am pretty much in "common sense" mode right now, that's why he
has the docs communicating with me for these things..



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JustWait wrote:
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...
They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???


"forcing your party's views on everybody". The true meaning of
reverseharryanism.

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

Yeah, those damned liberals want everyone dead.......