On Aug 12, 11:27*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:42*pm, H the K wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:25 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. *Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? *Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. *My office has one
that size. *Does that hold up for two showers? *I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.
I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. *concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out *utensils.

Slide in camper weighs roughly 900 lbs. *I levered it up and slid 2"
rollers made from pvc pipe under it to roll it out of the carport.
This went well. *The job now is to get it up onto the truck. *The
camper jacks will not go down far enough to allow me to lift it from
the ground with them. *So, I tried to use an inclined plane made from
2 4"X4" X8' posts, couldnt get it up onto the ramp well and then could
not get rollers under it.
Plan B. *Gonna lever it up bit by bit getting it onto concrete blocks
till it is high enough for the jacks to operate. *Of course it is 100
effin degrees out and 99% humid.

You don't own any Hebrew slaves?

Only hebrews around are married to my sisters and ther'd be hell to
pay if one of em hurt his back.
My 23 yr old daughter looked it over and suggested a way and we made a
little progress getting onto the ramp with just her and I.

My two daughters and I got it half way on. Older daughter says "I
feel like I'm using everything i learned in physics class" so I guess
it is a good thing. Am about to die of heat stroke and guzzling
lemonaide.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 8:42 pm, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:25 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to
Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still
about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent
#4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe
is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. My office has one
that size. Does that hold up for two showers? I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.
I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out utensils.

Slide in camper weighs roughly 900 lbs. I levered it up and slid 2"
rollers made from pvc pipe under it to roll it out of the carport.
This went well. The job now is to get it up onto the truck. The
camper jacks will not go down far enough to allow me to lift it from
the ground with them. So, I tried to use an inclined plane made from
2 4"X4" X8' posts, couldnt get it up onto the ramp well and then could
not get rollers under it.
Plan B. Gonna lever it up bit by bit getting it onto concrete blocks
till it is high enough for the jacks to operate. Of course it is 100
effin degrees out and 99% humid.

You don't own any Hebrew slaves?

Only hebrews around are married to my sisters and ther'd be hell to
pay if one of em hurt his back.
My 23 yr old daughter looked it over and suggested a way and we made a
little progress getting onto the ramp with just her and I.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I guess hairy is thinkin' that if he has some Hebrew slaves, everyone must!

--Mike

On Aug 12, 11:56*pm, "mgg" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 8:42 pm, H the K wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:25 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to
Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still
about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent
#4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe
is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. My office has one
that size. Does that hold up for two showers? I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.
I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out utensils.

Slide in camper weighs roughly 900 lbs. I levered it up and slid 2"
rollers made from pvc pipe under it to roll it out of the carport.
This went well. The job now is to get it up onto the truck. The
camper jacks will not go down far enough to allow me to lift it from
the ground with them. So, I tried to use an inclined plane made from
2 4"X4" X8' posts, couldnt get it up onto the ramp well and then could
not get rollers under it.
Plan B. Gonna lever it up bit by bit getting it onto concrete blocks
till it is high enough for the jacks to operate. Of course it is 100
effin degrees out and 99% humid.

You don't own any Hebrew slaves?

Only hebrews around are married to my sisters and ther'd be hell to
pay if one of em hurt his back.
My 23 yr old daughter looked it over and suggested a way and we made a
little progress getting onto the ramp with just her and I.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I guess hairy is thinkin' that if he has some Hebrew slaves, everyone must!

--Mike

Done. I sprayed the ramp (2 4" X 4" x8' posts with spray grease.
Once my son got home we could easily push it up the ramp onto the
truck. Hmm, 120V electrical does not work but I'll just bring a long
extension cord anyway.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:56 pm, "mgg" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...
On Aug 12, 8:42 pm, H the K wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:25 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to
Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still
about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent
#4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe
is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. My office has one
that size. Does that hold up for two showers? I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.
I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out utensils.
Slide in camper weighs roughly 900 lbs. I levered it up and slid 2"
rollers made from pvc pipe under it to roll it out of the carport.
This went well. The job now is to get it up onto the truck. The
camper jacks will not go down far enough to allow me to lift it from
the ground with them. So, I tried to use an inclined plane made from
2 4"X4" X8' posts, couldnt get it up onto the ramp well and then could
not get rollers under it.
Plan B. Gonna lever it up bit by bit getting it onto concrete blocks
till it is high enough for the jacks to operate. Of course it is 100
effin degrees out and 99% humid.
You don't own any Hebrew slaves?
Only hebrews around are married to my sisters and ther'd be hell to
pay if one of em hurt his back.
My 23 yr old daughter looked it over and suggested a way and we made a
little progress getting onto the ramp with just her and I.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I guess hairy is thinkin' that if he has some Hebrew slaves, everyone must!

--Mike

Done. I sprayed the ramp (2 4" X 4" x8' posts with spray grease.
Once my son got home we could easily push it up the ramp onto the
truck. Hmm, 120V electrical does not work but I'll just bring a long
extension cord anyway.


See...I knew if you recreated how the Egyptians got those stones up on
the pyramid, you'd succeed.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?

If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.

I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.

Oh, good Lord! Build a fire under it!

D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.

I experienced some cold water this evening.

the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day. The
problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician to
run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with anything
above 120V.

I've talked to Tim about my system. I've got natural gas. Here is mine:
http://www.valleypower.com/r75lsin.h...hannelid=FROOG

It's expensive, but it really cut my natural gas costs, summer and
winter. This thing gives me hot water in the whole house, and never ever
runs out, even if there's two showers going, the dishwasher, clothes
washer, etc. Of course, Tim wouldn't need this much of a heater for his
application.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:02 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

Yep, that's the thing. You have to keep 40 gallons or so hot all of the
time. It won't be long and mine, I got it for $750, will pay for itself.
I'm saving a couple of hundred just over the mild winters we have here.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. My office has one
that size. Does that hold up for two showers? I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.

I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out utensils.

Heck, I don't know if you'd see much savings going to something else.
But, I'd look at on demand anyway.

mgg wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Aug 12, 8:42 pm, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:25 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:08 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:24 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to
Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still
about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent
#4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe
is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
Both elements went out?
If it is just the top one you can jumper out the top thermostat and
run off the bottom one.
I know, but this is a single element 15 gal. job.
15? Damn, that's small for a house in your climate. My office has one
that size. Does that hold up for two showers? I have a 40 gal and the
water enters it at over 65º all year.
I have a heated garage, that we could actually live in. concerning
the water heater, mine is a simple 120v, that hides neatly under the
counter in the garage. it's all it's used for , for me to take a
shower and clean cook-out utensils.
Slide in camper weighs roughly 900 lbs. I levered it up and slid 2"
rollers made from pvc pipe under it to roll it out of the carport.
This went well. The job now is to get it up onto the truck. The
camper jacks will not go down far enough to allow me to lift it from
the ground with them. So, I tried to use an inclined plane made from
2 4"X4" X8' posts, couldnt get it up onto the ramp well and then could
not get rollers under it.
Plan B. Gonna lever it up bit by bit getting it onto concrete blocks
till it is high enough for the jacks to operate. Of course it is 100
effin degrees out and 99% humid.
You don't own any Hebrew slaves?

Only hebrews around are married to my sisters and ther'd be hell to
pay if one of em hurt his back.
My 23 yr old daughter looked it over and suggested a way and we made a
little progress getting onto the ramp with just her and I.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I guess hairy is thinkin' that if he has some Hebrew slaves, everyone must!

--Mike


Nah, he's just being an asshole so that he'll be noticed.

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.
a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

You need some pretty serious unused electrical capacity to have an on
demand heater capable of supplying a regular house. 100a is not
unreasonable.


I wonder about the "savings" for an average family with kids,
dishwashers, washing machines, et cetera, compared to a good quality gas
hot water heater that costs about half of what the "tankless" models
cost. I read through manufacturers' lit a few years ago, and since we
have fairly typical use here, I couldn't see that a tankless unit made
much sense. Maybe the economics have changed...