JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).
ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from
the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part.
From page 429:

??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that?

Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here?

??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that?

some lines snipped...

5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
6holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi8
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11
partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.

Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
No.
What do you mean, what is this group of people if not a "panel"? Read
this again...

(IV) is guided by a "coalition of stake
holders" (panel) includes representatives from emergency
medical services" (panel), "emergency department physicians or nurses"
(panel), state long-term care association, state medical association,
"state surveyors" (STATE SURVEYERS??? Yikes! sounds like a "panel" of
folks who are not interested in you),
agency responsible for senior services, state department of health,
state hospital association,
home health association, state bar association,
and state hospice association. (Panel, panel, panel. And most of 'em
have never even met you before!!!) Read the words, it is a
panel...Period, end of story..

It DAMNED sure isn't a "death panel".

If you look above about 20 or so lines you will see I never said
"Death" panel. I asked if it was a "panel" you said "no"... It is a
panel of strangers who should not be involved in your personal
decisions... PANEL.. That's what I said.... never said death...
mutter...


But what everyone is losing track of, because of the lies perpetuated,
is that the end of life counseling is completely 100% voluntary.

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).
ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from
the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part.
From page 429:

??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that?

Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here?

??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that?

some lines snipped...

5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
6holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi8
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11
partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.

Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
No.
What do you mean, what is this group of people if not a "panel"? Read
this again...

(IV) is guided by a "coalition of stake
holders" (panel) includes representatives from emergency
medical services" (panel), "emergency department physicians or nurses"
(panel), state long-term care association, state medical association,
"state surveyors" (STATE SURVEYERS??? Yikes! sounds like a "panel" of
folks who are not interested in you),
agency responsible for senior services, state department of health,
state hospital association,
home health association, state bar association,
and state hospice association. (Panel, panel, panel. And most of 'em
have never even met you before!!!) Read the words, it is a
panel...Period, end of story..

It DAMNED sure isn't a "death panel".

If you look above about 20 or so lines you will see I never said
"Death" panel. I asked if it was a "panel" you said "no"... It is a
panel of strangers who should not be involved in your personal
decisions... PANEL.. That's what I said.... never said death...
mutter...


But what everyone is losing track of, because of the lies perpetuated,
is that the end of life counseling is completely 100% voluntary.

Yes, and paid for by the Government and representing the Government all
at the same time, with no real funding for "opposing" viewpoints... It
will be like Planned Parenthood, one view, and only one view...

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:


But what everyone is losing track of, because of the lies perpetuated,
is that the end of life counseling is completely 100% voluntary.

Yes, and paid for by the Government and representing the Government all
at the same time, with no real funding for "opposing" viewpoints... It
will be like Planned Parenthood, one view, and only one view...


Since you are an uneducated little ****, Scott, you have no idea what
might be presented at one of these counseling sessions.

Frankly, you come across as someone who might need one of these
counseling sessions soon, and are scared everyone in your family and the
counselor will recommend you jump off a bridge into the abyss.