On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote:





On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote:

On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote:

that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's,
derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the
rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they
came and raided mine

many wealthy do too!,

tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people
work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on
that...

find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy
league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to
that. it's less than 3%

so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they
don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my
401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts

THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let
me do this.

Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them"
and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you
say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I
wouldn't' work if I were rich either.

Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts"

hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all
as financial institutions employees, aren't you?

It seems that way or at least it does to me.-

uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called
'wealthy'

Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Aug 13, 6:13*am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote:

On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote:

that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's,
derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the
rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they
came and raided mine

many wealthy do too!,

tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people
work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on
that...

find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy
league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to
that. it's less than 3%

so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they
don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my
401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts

THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let
me do this.

Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them"
and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you
say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I
wouldn't' work if I were rich either.

Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts"

hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all
as financial institutions employees, aren't you?

It seems that way or at least it does to me.-

uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called
'wealthy'

Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

John I suppose you could be right. We need to define wealthy, and rich.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 13, 6:13 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 13, 4:34 am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:03 pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:19 pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:53 pm, wf3h wrote:
that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's,
derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the
rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they
came and raided mine
many wealthy do too!,
tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people
work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on
that...
find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy
league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to
that. it's less than 3%
so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they
don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my
401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts
THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let
me do this.
Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them"
and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you
say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I
wouldn't' work if I were rich either.
Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts"
hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all
as financial institutions employees, aren't you?
It seems that way or at least it does to me.-
uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called
'wealthy'
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

John I suppose you could be right. We need to define wealthy, and rich.

Just ask Harry, in his fantasy narcissist world, he is both!

On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote:


Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--


yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote:


Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--


yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.

Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On Aug 13, 7:28*am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote:

Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--

yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.

Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.

Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

In article 0a7d4d5a-dcb7-4a13-a1f2-cd22081789f2
@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 13, 7:28*am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote:

Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--

yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.

Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.

Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

LOL.. keep listenin' to GE Television while they suck up the health care
money...LOL


THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...



--
Wafa free since 2009

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from
the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from
the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part.

From page 429:

‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that—

Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here?

‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that—

some lines snipped...

5 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
6holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi8
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11
partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.

Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:42:14 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).

ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.

THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...

You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming from
the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read that part.

From page 429:

??(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ??(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ??(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ?order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment? means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that?

Note line 10. Pretty scary, huh? Why is this here?

??(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that?

some lines snipped...

5 ??(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake
6holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi8
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11
partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.

Sure sounds like a panel, doesn't it?

Yup... It is what it is. Hey, if they like the bill they should admit
what it is and support it. Don't look at the word "black" on the paper
and call it "white"... Either way, gotta' go do the pool...

--
Wafa free since 2009